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Wheel and tire sizes for the GTI VR6

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Re: Too large (was Re: How Wide Will Fit???) corrado@intermind (Corrado) 1 Jan 1996 05:32:36 GMT
First Purchase! MattV49 <verve@redrose> Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:21:52 -0400
Re: ABT == $$$$ Jimtunes@aol Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:15:43 -0500
RE: Tire upgrade options Christian Cotichini <christian@autodebit> Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:25:45 -0800
Re: Tire upgrade options Jimtunes@aol Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:10:55 -0500
SPAX shocks install! GREEKP@aol Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:08:42 -0500
Re: SPAX shocks install! "Abe L. Getchell" <sysabe@iguana.coa.uky> Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:41:40 -0500
Re: Best Rim/Tire combo for 97 GTI VR6? collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins) Tue, 17 Dec 96 16:39:11 GMT
Re: Suspension Jimtunes@aol Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:10:17 -0500
Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI dpichovich@esri (Daniel Pichovich [ESRI-Redlands]) Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:38:56 -0800
Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI or GLX Corey Hels <chels@wbfa> Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:18:40 -0800
Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI Erik <lurch@shadow> Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:48:25 -0500
Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI Sean Robbins <sean.robbins@asu> Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:43:41 +0000
Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI Davide Lodovichi <lud@pathcom> Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:24:18 -0500
Re: Long post from prospective buyer emerson@eideti Sat, 11 Jan 97 15:26 EST
Re: Rims Erik <lurch@shadow> Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:07:29 -0500
Re: Tires/wheels Jimtunes@aol Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:58:37 -0500 (EST)
RE: Tires/wheels; GA's and stock alloys for sale collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins) Sat, 18 Jan 97 02:30:27 GMT
Friends 'Rocco in Turbo mag "Delle B." <rodelle@hawaii> Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:08:16 -1000
Re: Wheels and Tires Jimtunes@aol Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:18:23 -0500 (EST)
Re: Rust specks on white car? Jimtunes@aol Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:43:10 -0500 (EST)
Re: GTI VR6 Pace Car Sean Robbins <sean.robbins@asu> Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:14:14 +0000
Weight
alignment with suspension Don Pavlik <pavlik@platinum> Thu, 03 Apr 1997 13:27:28 -0600
Re: Wheels Jimtunes@aol Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:03:10 -0500 (EST)
Re: Wheels Kenneth Lee <kennethl@phoenix> Sat, 05 Apr 1997 02:17:23 -0600
Weight
Re: Koni suspension "The Finale" -Reply Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom> Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:04 -0500
Re: Koni suspension "The Finale" Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom> Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:58:53 -0500
Re: Wheel Alignment Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom> Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:22:18 -0500
Re: alignment off. Trips <trips@cris> Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:17:19 -0400
Re: Spax Springs Damian <dthomas@mindspring> Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:51:06 -0400
Performance alignments douglas.carter@platinum Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:00:54 -0500
BBS RC's motorsport1 <mtrsprt1@warwick> Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:35:18 -0500
Re: Tire Help Todd <trad@worldnet.att> Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:14:58 -0500
Re: 16" Wheels -Reply Patrick Barnicle <pbarnicl@terasys> Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:22:06 -0600
Re: tires Scott Catlin <scott.catlin@sierra> Fri, 9 Jan 98 16:18:27 -0000
Re: Another thought: wheel fitment "Holland J. Phillips" <phillip3@Apple> Tue, 13 Jan 98 11:37:16 -0800
Re: Another thought: wheel fitment Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti> Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:25:10 -0500
Re: Wheel Comparisons "Holland J. Phillips" <phillip3@Apple> Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:37:49 -0800
Re: 17's and tire size David Kim <glxvr6@ibm> Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:02:25 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] 17"rims "Todd Taylor" <taylort@execpc> Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:57:48 -0500
Re: [gti-vr6] Tire Width ? David E ...... <d.......@.....uky> Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Re: [gti-vr6] Rims & tyres sizes "C2Motorsports" <C2Motorsports@bellsouth> Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:47:28 -0400



From rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled Mon Jan 1 12:17:42 1996
From: corrado@intermind (Corrado)
Subject: Re: Too large (was Re: How Wide Will Fit???)
Date: 1 Jan 1996 05:32:36 GMT
Organization: Intermind.net
 
ri.usc.edu&gt;, &#106;an&#64;lipari.usc<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> says...

In article &lt;&#68;Jq0qs.Ivv&#64;news.cis.umn<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; &#121;anc0004&#64;gold.tc.umn<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Chris 
Yanchar
.>) writes:
.&gt;&gt;&#107;ingtown&#64;ix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>com<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Alexander T. Leventhal) wrote:
.>>
.>>I borrowed a friend's road race wheels so I could auto cross the car
.>>once.  225/50-15 BFR R1's on 15 X6.5 inch rims with 35mm offset did
.>>
.>>As a side note, this oversize diameter slowed the car considerably and
.>>made the car accelerate slower.  I do not know why everybody puts huge
.>>tires on thier car (looks cooool) when they are really decreasing
.>>performance in at least one dimension.  
 I have a 95 VR6 GTI and I autocross with the stock rims 48mm offset, shod with 
BFG R1's 22/50/15's... yes they rub at full lock. I also run 215/40/17's AVSi's 
 on a 35mm offset 17x8inch Montecarlo. Yes they rub. but not on the inner 
fender well, rather the fender lip on the front of the rear tire wheelwell. But 
there you have it. 225/50/15s will fit with a different offset, and 215/17's 
will fit with a 7 or 7.5 inch rim. later
Corrado
95 GTI, Cover European Car Dec. '95




From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Oct 22 21:32 CDT 1996
From: MattV49 <verve@redrose>
To: VR6 List <gti-vr6@pebbs>
Subject: First Purchase!
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 1996 22:21:52 -0400
 
I finally made my first aftermarket purchase for my vr6!

17" Kosei S5R's with 215/40 Continental Sport Contacts.  The rims were
machined to 14mm to fit the vr6.  I'm going to store them until next
spring and in the meantime I've got to start saving for that new
suspension!





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Wed Oct 30 23:57 CST 1996
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: kennethl@phoenix, gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: ABT == $$$$
Date: Thu, 31 Oct 1996 00:15:43 -0500
 
In a message dated 96-10-30 10:25:57 EST, &#107;ennethl&#64;phoenix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Kenneth Lee)
writes:

<< To all,
 
 Just found out that ABT 16" x 7.5 rim cost $400 while the 17" 3pc cost
 $1000.  I was going get those rims (buying myself an early Xmas present)
 until I found out the price this morning.  For those of u with good taste,
 that's mean to all GTi VR6 owners :)), what rims will look good on our cars.
 I like those BBS RX but they don't make it in the size I want.  I only want
 rims in 16" x 7.5 size cuz I want to put 225/40 tires on it.  My budget is
 $2K.  BTW, I think all ABT rims are made by OZ of Italy.
 
 Thanks,
 
 Kenneth Lee
 &#107;ennethl&#64;phoenix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> &gt;&gt;

I put MOMO Arrows on my vr6 and they look awsome The BBS RX were my second
choice. I went with the arrows because the BBS look too much like the Hock Rs
which seem to be on half the GTIs out there. They are 16 x 7.5 and I'm
running Dunlop SP-8000 225/40-16. The whole package came to about $1800 from
New Dimensions. They had the best price on the rims at $269(sale price, reg
price is $275). Their price for the tires was a couple of bucks higher than
the tire rack, but I opted to pay the extra cash for the simplicity of
driving down there(50 miles), and getting everything at once and having it
installed at the same time.

Jim



From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Wed Nov 13 13:36 CST 1996
From: Christian Cotichini <christian@autodebit>
To: "'gti-vr6@pebbs'" <>
Subject: RE: Tire upgrade options
Date: Wed, 13 Nov 1996 11:25:45 -0800
 
Thanks for the info.

I think you may be right about the 17"s.  I don't want to screw around. 
I just want really good tires.  I was looking at the Sport 8000s.  Some 
say the Yoko AVS Is are way better, but I live in Vancouver (200mm of 
rain) and the AVS suck in the rain.  So I guess I either get 205/50/15 
or 225/40/16 depending on whether I want to buy new alloy wheels.  BTW, 
what is the performance difference between the two???

Also the 225/40/16s have a diameter of 23.08" (vs 23.07 from stock).
Does anyone know what offset I need to prevent rubbing???

Thanks again,

Christian.


----------
From:  &#77;arker510&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>[SMTP:]
Sent:  Wednesday, November 13, 1996 7:38 AM
To:  Christian Cotichini
Subject:  Re: Tire upgrade options

Christian, 215/40 17s won't rub with the right offset, so choose the rims
carefully.  Personally, I think 16" is all you really should go, but the 17"s
do look awesome!
For tires, Dunlop DP Sport 8000s are definately the way to go.  Z rated,
awesome on the dry, and superb when wet.  I once drove my own DP 8000s into a
2" puddle on one side and wet pavement on the other.  The tire had NO torque
steer!  I've put quite a few customers into these.  Pricy, but well worth it.

Mark Rosenkrantz
&#77;arker510&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Thu Nov 14 21:18 CST 1996
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Tire upgrade options
Date: Thu, 14 Nov 1996 22:10:55 -0500
 
In a message dated 96-11-14 02:25:09 EST, &#99;ollinsk&#64;pacbell<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Kevin
Collins) writes:

<< I used to have a Sentra SE-R - awesome-handling FWD right off the lot.
 Stock 
 tires sucked, as usual.  When I upgraded, I went +1 (from 14" to 15") and
with 
 Dunlop SP8000's.  Those tires are unreal.  Quiet, stick like glue, 200
treadwear
 rating (which surprised me that it was that high).  As far as I'm concerned,
these
 things are NO compromise at all, other than $$$.  A definite future upgrade
for 
 my VR6.  Also, I'll only go +1 to 16", in order to retain as much comfort as

 possible to go along with a decent improvement in handling.  But that's just
me..
  >>

Christian,

I'm running the Dunlop SP-8000 in a 225/40-16 on 16 x 7.5 MOMO Arrows and the
change in handling is phenominal. I think the Toyo Proxes and Yoko AVS may be
a little stickier on dry pavement, but neither of them can come close to the
Dunlops in the rain. Living where you get a lot of rain, the sp-8000s are the
only way to go.

Jim




From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Sun Dec 15 23:18 CST 1996
From: GREEKP@aol
To: GTI-VR6@pebbs
Subject: SPAX shocks install!
Date: Sat, 14 Dec 1996 11:08:42 -0500
 
Hey guys, how's it going?

I finally got my Spax shocks a couple days ago.  I took my car to my friend's
shop to use his lift to make it easier to install.  This was the first time
doing shocks on my car, but I've done a few springs on Golfs.  The install
was pretty simple, pretty much the same as changing springs, except you have
to transfer all the brake/ABS line and wire brackets to the new shocks, wich
have all the necesary holes.  It took me about 2.5 hours.

I already had Neuspeed lowering springs on my car and planned to keep them
on, but my friend convinced me to try the Spax to see how they are.  Since I
was taking the struts appart it was no big deal.  Until, I  went for a test
drive, I could'nt even turn the wheel at low speeds without the front rubing,
all four wheels (215-40-16, 7"&35mm offset) were tucked in the wells, looked
cool but not driveable.

So, I put my car back on the lift a put in the Neupseeds again, a much better
combination in my opinion.  The rear height is set 1/2" from it's lowest and
both ends are on their softest settings for now.

The ride is much better now, my car does'nt "bounce" any more, especially
coming into bumpy corners while hard on the brakes.  And I noticed it handles
corners a little bit better.  I haven't had much time to drive much and
experiment with different settings, but I like it already.  

I know there are a few people on the list with Spax, what kind of settings do
you run in the street and track?

I'm doing some time trials on a 1 mile track tomorrow, I'll really get to see
what the Spax can do.  I hope I can find the perfect setting during practice.
 I've hit about 100mph on the staights last time, it's really awsum!

Well, go to go mess with my car, see ya!

Petro
'95 GTI VR6




From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Mon Dec 16 06:44 CST 1996
From: "Abe L. Getchell" <sysabe@iguana.coa.uky>
To: GREEKP@aol
Subject: Re: SPAX shocks install!
Date: Mon, 16 Dec 1996 07:41:40 -0500
Cc: gti-vr6@pebbs
 
> I already had Neuspeed lowering springs on my car and planned to keep them
> on, but my friend convinced me to try the Spax to see how they are.  Since I
> was taking the struts appart it was no big deal.  Until, I  went for a test
> drive, I could'nt even turn the wheel at low speeds without the front rubing,
> all four wheels (215-40-16, 7"&35mm offset) were tucked in the wells, looked
> cool but not driveable.

	Hmmmm...  I have no problems here, but I am running stock wheels.  I
have heard of people that had 225/35ZR17 tires on 17x7.5 wheels and have had no
problems with rubbing.  Are you sure else wasn't wrong?  Were the front wheels
tucked into the wheel wells?  They shouldn't be.  It should only lower the
front about 2 3/4".  Anymore and something IS wrong.

> So, I put my car back on the lift a put in the Neupseeds again, a much better
> combination in my opinion.  The rear height is set 1/2" from it's lowest and
> both ends are on their softest settings for now.
>
> The ride is much better now, my car does'nt "bounce" any more, especially
> coming into bumpy corners while hard on the brakes.  And I noticed it handles
> corners a little bit better.  I haven't had much time to drive much and
> experiment with different settings, but I like it already.

	Awsome!  Glad you like them!

> I know there are a few people on the list with Spax, what kind of settings do
> you run in the street and track?

	On the street and track I put the front on "3" and the rear on "14".
 This helps put a lot of oversteer in the car.  Nice for FWD cars like our
GTI's!

> I'm doing some time trials on a 1 mile track tomorrow, I'll really get to see
> what the Spax can do.  I hope I can find the perfect setting during practice.
>  I've hit about 100mph on the staights last time, it's really awsum!
>
> Well, go to go mess with my car, see ya!

	Have fun dude!  Keep the rubber side down!

> Petro
> '95 GTI VR6

Abe



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From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Dec 17 10:42 CST 1996
From: collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins)
To: sultry@shadow (Alkemyst), gti-vr6@pebbs (GTI-VR6 Mailing List)
Subject: Re: Best Rim/Tire combo for 97 GTI VR6?
Date: Tue, 17 Dec 96 16:39:11 GMT
 
On 12/16/96 8:04PM, in message &lt;595689$llt@viper.shadow.net&gt;, Alkemyst 
&lt;&#115;ultry&#64;shadow<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; wrote:

> Hoping to get the best for acceleration and handling rather than just for 
> looks.  What is the best size to use? 205/50R16?  I would like to stay with a 
> 16 if only for the acceleration advantages (as well as it being impossible to 
> find 17" tires ever on sale)

I'm going to go with 16x7 rims (probably Mille Miglia Glide II - see Tire Rack 
ads).  The correct tire size for 16" would be 205/45-16, to keep correct wheel 
diameter (or VERY close to it) to keep your speedo/odo accurate (as much as it 
is anyways - they read notoriously high).  I'll go with Dunlop SP8000's - not 
terribly expensive at that size (about $169 from the 'Rack I believe) and they are 
AWESOME tires...

--
Kevin Collins
&#99;ollinsk&#64;pacbell<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
'97 GTI VR6, Candy White, Black Leather, blah blah blah




From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Sat Dec 7 15:02 CST 1996
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Suspension
Date: Fri, 6 Dec 1996 21:10:17 -0500
 
In a message dated 96-12-05 08:44:44 EST, &#109;ohama&#64;hs.nki.no (Amar Sher
Mohammad) writes:

<< I've got a quite large stereo in the trunk of my car, and this is making
 very low on the 15"back wheels.
 
 Now I'm considering putting on some 8.5x17 wheels, but these won't fit
 on the car the way it is now.
 
 The question is: Will it help to use the Jamex Raceline kit, and if I do
 change will it make the car very hard, so that it will be really awfull
 to drive on bad roads like in the city?
  >>
 
Amar,

Sounds like you need a 4 wheel drive lift kit! 
There is no way you can fit those rims with any size tire under the car
without some serious modification to the body. Even a 17 x 8 requires a small
mod on most people's cars. If you they make them in the rims you want get a
17x7.5 with 215/40-17 tires. With the right offset they should fit with no
mods even on a car with a lowered suspension. 

BTW what the hell kind of stereo system makes the car sit so low? I had 200
lbs of sand in the back for my daughters sandbox and it didn't make the car
sit very low

Jim




From http://www.gti-club.org/gti-vr6/month/396.html Tue Jan 7 10:12:13 1997
 
Mike Balasko (&#99;orrado&#64;intermind<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>)

      Neuspeed Race Springs
      Neuspeed/Bilstein Digressive Sport Valved Shocks
      Neuspeed 25mm Front Swaybar
      Neuspeed 28mm Rear Swaybar
...
   Tires: 
      Racing: BFGoodrich R1 225/50/15
      Street: Yoko AVS-i 215/40/17

   Rims:
      Racing: Stocks
      Street: O.Z. Montecarlo F 1's




From http://www.gti-club.org/gti-vr6/month/696.html Tue Jan 7 10:11:39 1997
 
Dave Bram (&#109;trsprt1&#64;warwick<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>)

Boge Turbo shocks, Hor Tech springs,
...
ATS 17x7.5 inch wheels on Toyo T1 215-40ZR-17 tires




From http://www.gti-club.org/gti-vr6/month/896.html Tue Jan 7 10:10:50 1997
 
Neuspeed lowering springs
...
17x8.0 Hockenheim-R with TOYO T1 215-40ZR 17




From http://www.gti-club.org/gti-vr6/month/996.html Tue Jan 7 10:15:56 1997
 
Eibach ProKit Lowering Springs,
BBS 16" Rims, 215/40 ZR16 Toyo Proxes T1




From http://www.gti-club.org/gti-vr6/month/o96.html Tue Jan 7 10:53:29 1997
 
17" ABT wheels with Yokohama 215/40 ZR 17




From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Mon Jan 13 14:55 CST 1997
From: dpichovich@esri (Daniel Pichovich [ESRI-Redlands])
To: gti-vr6@pebbs, Scott.Catlin@sierra
Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 12:38:56 -0800
 
17" wheels with 215/40/17 No problems.
Wheels have to be 17" with 33-35mm offset and no wider than 7.5".



This is my understanding.


dAnP





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Mon Jan 13 16:16 CST 1997
From: Corey Hels <chels@wbfa>
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI or GLX
Date: Mon, 13 Jan 1997 14:18:40 -0800
Organization: Warner Brothers Feature Animation
 
Daniel Pichovich [ESRI-Redlands] wrote:
> 
> 17" wheels with 215/40/17 No problems.
> Wheels have to be 17" with 33-35mm offset and no wider than 7.5".
> 
> This is my understanding.
> 
> dAnP

Second that, I have 17x7.5j wheels 35 offset with Yokohama a510's. These
205/40/vr17s are directional and this tire wheel combination is like 5mm
larger in diameter than stock 15's w/GA's. I did not believe this until
I stacked them atop the GA's and got out the ruler. That's plus2 for
you. These Yoko's are wierd in the rain I don't know if it's the
traction control or true hydroplane action I felt this weekend. It was
pouring a cold ocean storm as I drove back accross the desert from Palm
Springs. The inch wider setup has something to do with it. They are
pretty sticky on the dry pavement and barring any HUGE potholes, are not
a major concearn for me due to the profile. People have different
opinions on that issue I'm sure.





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Jan 14 01:56 CST 1997
From: Erik <lurch@shadow>
To: Scott Catlin <Scott.Catlin@sierra>
Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 02:48:25 -0500
Cc: gti-vr6@pebbs
 
Scott Catlin wrote:
> 
>     I have no mods on my suspension, it's all stock. First of all can I even get
> 17 inch wheels in there, and if so, how large can the tires be? I was thinking
> BBS RXs with Dunlop SP8000s, maybe 205/40/17 or 210/40/17? Anyone have any
> thoughts about this? I also read about some wheel spacers for Porsches that fit
> over the lug nuts and push the wheels out up to four inches. Do they exist for
> VWs?
>     Thanks.
>     Scott
>     Black 95 GTI VR6

  The 215/40's will look better on 7 1/2" or 8" wide wheel and will
fit   quite well under the wheel well.  Oh yeah, don't bother with the  
spacers there not worth it.





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Jan 14 09:51 CST 1997
From: Sean Robbins <sean.robbins@asu>
To: "Daniel Pichovich [ESRI-Redlands]" <dpichovich@esri>
Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI
Date: Tue, 14 Jan 1997 08:43:41 +0000
Cc: gti-vr6@pebbs
Organization: Arizona State University
 
Daniel Pichovich [ESRI-Redlands] wrote:
> 
> 17" wheels with 215/40/17 No problems.
> Wheels have to be 17" with 33-35mm offset and no wider than 7.5".
> 
> This is my understanding.
> 
> dAnP
	I think that you have the offset right, but the width can be up to
8.5".  Example, look at the Abt Cup wheels.

-- 
Sean Robbins
Support Systems Analyst
Arizona State University
(602) 965-1282





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Jan 14 10:28 CST 1997
From: Davide Lodovichi <lud@pathcom>
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI
Date: Sat, 14 Jan 1995 11:24:18 -0500
 
>Date: Fri, 13 Jan 1995 21:51:16 -0500
&gt;To: "Scott Catlin" &lt;&#83;cott.Catlin&#64;sierra<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
&gt;From: Davide Lodovichi &lt;&#108;ud&#64;pathcom<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
>Subject: Re: 17inch wheels on the GTI
>
>At 10:09 AM 13/01/97 PDT, you wrote:
>>
>>    I have no mods on my suspension, it's all stock. First of all can I
even get
>>17 inch wheels in there, and if so, how large can the tires be? I was thinking
>>BBS RXs with Dunlop SP8000s, maybe 205/40/17 or 210/40/17? Anyone have any
>>thoughts about this? I also read about some wheel spacers for Porsches
that fit
>>over the lug nuts and push the wheels out up to four inches. Do they exist for
>>VWs? 
>>    Thanks.
>>    Scott 
>>    Black 95 GTI VR6
>>
>>
>
>With no mods to your suspension you should be able to fit the BBS RX 17 x
7" on 205/40/17 with no rubbing at all.  Without lowering spring or
coil-overs the GTi VR6 is a 4 x 4.
>>
>





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Sat Jan 11 18:22 CST 1997
From: emerson@eideti
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Long post from prospective buyer
Date: Sat, 11 Jan 97 15:26 EST
 
In a previous article, &#78;urendra&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> said:
> 
> 1.  Is VW still having a problem with the black paint now?  I know a few
> owners had            terrible scratches?

My black 1995.5 seems to develop hairline gray scratches in it.  Nothing a
black Sharpie (TM) marker and a coat of Zymoil can't fix.  They don't go
deep.

> 2. Do I have to use a VW CD changer with their systems?  Does it have to be
> trunk-mounted?  Also, since it is an anti-theft system, does VW have to do
> the install?

You can install the Clarion 6-disc to the Clarion head unit, with the
appropriate adapter cable.  The GLX may have the Bose system, and I don't
know about that.  I installed the VW changer in my own car.  The only
catch is you have to remove the radio from the dash, and need the
anti-theft removal tools to do it.  I used heavy clothes hangar wire to
make my own tool, and others have reported success with allen wrenches in
each hole.  My suggestion is that you gegotiate the changer into
your deal. My dealer gave it to me at cost ($405) if I installed it
myself.  By the time you get the Clarion unit and the adapter cable,
you're saving maybe $50, and the VW unit says VW on it and is financed.

> 3.  Will the use of a P-flo system, a larger throttle body, lowering springs,
> an AutoTech exhaust  and/or a P-chip void my warranty?

There is no larger throttle body option for the 1996/7 VR6.  The chassis
warranty is only 2/24K miles, so you don't have to worry about losing much
even if VW decides to void that because of the springs/exhaust.  As for
the other two parts, the dealer has to prove that they caused the damage
before denying your warranty claim.  There is a question about how much of
an increase you'll see from these parts anyway, so you can keep reading
the debate and save your money.  Dave Bram was by here the other day, and
his Autotech exhaust sure does sound nice outside the car. I've never had
a ride in his car, so I don't know how it sounds inside.  The Leistritz
system on my old 16V used to sound good outside too, but I couldn't hear
the phone ringing inside over it on the highway.  Test listen to somebody
else's car before you buy an exhaust.  Thank me later.

> 4.  If I want to upgrade the rims from 15" to 16", what tire size will I have
> to use?

"Ask Mike" says that 215/45/16 on a 16x7 inch rim is his suggestion. He
also says that 215/40/17 is the ideal 17 inch size, but recommends
215/45/17 on a 17x7.5 inch rim - and it's close to rubbing.  These are the
GTI VR6 figures.  Who knows about the Jetta GLX?

> 6.  Stock anti-sway bars are both 20mm for front and rear.  AutoTech
> recommends 22mm front and 25mm rear.  Which is better for crisp adolescent
> need for speed?

Are these the HOLLOW Autotech swaybars?  The front factory bar is solid
and the rear hollow on the GTI VR6.  Compare apples to apples.  The VW
front bar is pretty flexible, so maybe you are. :-)

> 8.  Is an oil cooler beneficial for non-race purposes?

The factory system works fine under normal circumstances.

> 9.  Are armor door plates necessary or is the door already armored inside?

Depends where you live.  My own personal view is that the scum will break
the window if they want what's in the car, and the factory alarm system
will sit there and do nothing.  Popping the door handle will set off the
alarm.  If I wanted to get into your car, I'd grab one of those $3.99 dent
remover suction cups from NAPA, wet it, slap it to your window, and see if
the power window actuator assembly can withstand 200 pounds of downward
force.  I'm surprised that criminals haven't thought of this already. 
Maybe the suction cup would slide before enough force is achieved?

> 10.  Can a Crimestopper pager be added easily to the alarm?  (This is a pager
> with at least a 2 mile radius that activates whenever your alarm is
> triggered).

AMS sells a remote keyless system compatible with the VW alarm, and it has
glass breakage and other options available.

> 11.  Is there a VW customer service rep with an email address that I can
> harass with all these questions instead of you folks?

We are VW's unofficial ambassadors, sales force, and service center.  I
hate to say it, but I think that my web site has more information on the
main page than VWofA's whole site does.  I have received exactly one
e-mail message from vw.com, and I bet most people on this list can't even
say that much.....

-Arthur





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Wed Jan 15 03:15 CST 1997
From: Erik <lurch@shadow>
To: Kevin Collins <collinsk@pacbell>
Subject: Re: Rims
Date: Wed, 15 Jan 1997 04:07:29 -0500
Cc: GTI-VR6 Mailing List <gti-vr6@pebbs>
 
The BBS RX's look real sweet on GTI's w/215-45x16's.  Also the ABT CUP
whels are too nice for words.  =A6=AC)





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Thu Jan 16 15:20 CST 1997
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: chels@wbfa, gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Tires/wheels
Date: Thu, 16 Jan 1997 15:58:37 -0500 (EST)
 
In a message dated 97-01-15 15:26:08 EST, &#99;hels&#64;wbfa<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Corey Hels) writes:

<< Dudes....for all of you who haven't upgraded to 16" or 17" wheels and
 new rubber yet let me tell you that the slim selection may not make you
 happy. The 5-lug setup for VR6 and the large front brake setup (even
 larger for '97) makes it difficult to get stuff to fit. The "Wheel
 Machine" from CEC is a bit decieving for Golfs as well as Jettas because
 much of what is shown is really for the 4-lug cars. You may not be able
 to get what you really wanted. There are ways to make certain wheels fit
 but it is better to get a setup that is better suited to the
 application. The offset reccommended for my Jetta is 35 I believe. So
 33-35 is probably OK but 30 or 38 or anything way out or too far in will
 potentially cause rubbing especially with 17's. I suggest calling
 TireRack and or Discount Tire Direct (whom I purchased my 17's from)
 these guys will be able to give you the info you need to make a style
 decision. They'll tell you what fits and what doesn't and why (at lest
 based on what's in stock). I dont suggest going wider than 7.5 or 8 at
 the most unless you want to modify the fenders with a cup kit or trim or
 roll the fenders. This width combined with offset will determine what
 fits best. 
 	ABT's wheels and the Zender wheels I've been told are a better bet in
 some cases as they are closer to OEM spec if not dead on. There are a
 few choices in cheaper wheels that supposedly fit using spacers or a hub
 ring so that they are a quick fit for Toyotas as well, but they use an
 adapter. The correct "hub-centric" and lug pattern and offset and tire
 size makes for slim selection for us VR6'ers. If anyone has a difinitive
 list of stuff that works I'm sure we would all  like to know whats out
 there to choose from.
 	For example I have Cromadora CD770/780s 17x7.5j with Yokohama a510
 (directional) 205/40/vr17s These fit fine. They have a tiny adapter ring
 but they are more or less hub centric and the wheel doent sit on the
 adapter as much as it sits on the hub and there is no spacer. The 5 lug
 pattern fits flush and the offset is correct. Other wheels I've been
 told fit in 16 or 17 are:
 	ABTs (and ABT modulars)
 	Zenders (and Zender Challenge)
 	MSW Type 55c
 	MSW Type 45
 	Borbet Type C
 	BBS RX
 	BBS RS2
 	Antera 123s 
 	Antera 125s
 
 I'm sure there are more, however don't assume If you see some wheels on
 a car that they will be a perfect fit. The Anteras and the Momo Arrow
 apparently may require a rolled fender. I also checked out Fittipaldi
 Polaris and that required cutting some plastic in the rear somewhere.
 
 	What is everyone else rolling on? What problems if any have you guys
 seen? Am I full of shit or has this been the case for other wheel
 shoppers? This is a fairly expensive investment so I'm sure people could
 use some advice. >>

I've got MOMO Arrows in 16 x 7.5" with 225/40-16 and they fit fine, no mods
to the car are neccesary

Jim





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Fri Jan 17 20:32 CST 1997
From: collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins)
To: jeff_westrick@dc.hodes ("Jeff Westrick"), gti-vr6@pebbs (GTI-VR6 Mailing List)
Subject: RE: Tires/wheels; GA's and stock alloys for sale
Date: Sat, 18 Jan 97 02:30:27 GMT
 
On 1/16/97 7:09PM, in message &lt;&#110;1358611819.75782&#64;dc.hodes<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;, "Jeff Westrick" 
&lt;&#106;eff_westrick&#64;dc.hodes<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; wrote:

> When I replace my GAs I'll consider going to a 16" size, too -- I'm not wild
> about the risk to my wheels (or the cost!) of running 17" 40-series rubber,
> but I've wondered just how much of a difference the 16" size would make for
> the inve$tment (lots, I hope)...  

Well, I placed the order today, to the tune of something like $1836 (ouch!!!) - 16x7 BBS 
RX's, Dunlop SP8000's, 205-45x16.  I'll certainly post my impressions, and perhaps 
post a photo of the car.

SO - in about a week I'll have an extra set of stock 5-spoke alloys and GA's with 4k on 
them, which are hereby for sale to the highest bidder!!  Any takers????

--
Kevin Collins
&#99;ollinsk&#64;pacbell<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
'97, Candy White





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Jan 21 02:54 CST 1997
From: "Delle B." <rodelle@hawaii>
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Friends 'Rocco in Turbo mag
Date: Mon, 20 Jan 1997 23:08:16 -1000
Cc: corrado-l@julie.teleport
Organization: Footwerx Racing
 
Hey everyone,

Sorry this isn't C or GTI related, but it is performance related.  I've 
been meaning to post this for awhile.  Check out my friends Scirocco in 
the February edition of Turbo magazine.  The guy who bought supposedly 
shipped it up to Cali, I think.  Anyone see this car in any of the 
tuning shops up there.  I'm sure Al would like to know how the car's 
doing and what the car can do in the 1/4, seeing that he never took it 
down the track.

For those who are in the know.  This is my friend with the Black GLX.  
Last I talked about the car he had 17" Borbet Type Cs that were 
powdercoated black.  Well he had some money to burn so he got rid of 
those and is now running 17" TSW Hock-Rs, also powdercoated black.  
Those red center caps look real schaweet against all that black.  He 
also now has the Hella smoked dual rounds, which he's had for a couple 
of months now.  

If I get a webpage setup I'm definitely putting this car in!!

Well thanks for the bandwidth!!


-- 
Delle B.

* G  E  E  *  T  E  E  *  E  Y  E  *  V  E  E  *  A  R  E  *  S  I  X * 

    Rodelle B. Butay                    1996 Candy White/Black Cloth
    mailto:&#114;odelle&#64;hawaii<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>           GTI Club Member No. 671
    University of Hawaii COE            That's GTI on your pager ;-) 

* G  E  E  *  T  E  E  *  E  Y  E  *  V  E  E  *  A  R  E  *  S  I  X *





From aqn Thu Jan 23 14:58:33 CST 1997
 
Borbet
    Type C	17x7.5	$205
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
    Type F	16x7	$179
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
    Type H	16x7.5	$162
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm

Moda - by BBS
    M1		17x7.5	$235
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
    Sport	17x8	$249
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm

MSW
    Type 55	16x7.5	$179
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm

Mille Miglia
    Fabula	16x7	$172
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
BBS
    RX		17	$329
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
O.Z of Italy
    Competition	17x7.5	$289
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
    Mito	16x7.5	$239
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
Fittipaldi
    Polaris	17x7	$259
	http://www.tirerack.com/wheels/wheelbra.htm
    




From aqn Sat Jan 25 15:38:06 CST 1997
 

o   Called Tire Rack 1-800-???  JD x317

    o   Borbet Type C 17x7.5, Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1436 + $48 shipping
	30mm offset
	(NTW:  

    o   moda M1 17x7.5,       Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1556 + $48 shipping

    o   OZ Competition,       Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1820 + $48 shipping
	(NTW:  OZ Monte Carlo, $1957)

    o   Fittipaldi Interlagos,Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1848 + $48 shipping
	(NTW:  Fitti. Polaris $1953)

    o   Said he sees a note in his "application nodes" that said 215 tire
	requires rolling the rear fender!


o   Called Discount Tires Direct 1 800 739-8999, Curtis x209

    o   TSW Hockenheim-R,     Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1632 + $48 shipping

    o   TSW Blades,           Yok AVS-I 215/40-17	$1685 + $48 shipping





From aqn Wed Jan 29 15:38:06 CST 1997
 
o   Ordered from Discount Tires Direct 1-800-739-8999, Curtis x209

o   4 TSW Blades 17x7.5, 4 Yok AVS-I 215/40-17
    $1685 + $49 shipping = $1744  (NTW:  $1752)

    includes: mounting/balancing, lugs & h/w, wheel locks


o   Asked about "rolling the rear fender", he said he has seen lots of
    the same appl. that fits just fine.  ???





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Mon Feb 3 18:23 CST 1997
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: ntr01@mhs.sperry-marine, gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Wheels and Tires
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 1997 19:18:23 -0500 (EST)
 
In a message dated 97-02-03 17:21:43 EST, &#110;tr01&#64;mhs.sperry-marine<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (Neal
Richardson) writes:

<< Hey,
      Does anyone know if 16 x 7.5 wheels with 225/40-16 SP8000 tires will 
 fit on a GTIvr6 ?  Or is that just too much rubber?
                          Neal >>

They fit! that's what I'm running on my car. 16 x 7.5 MOMO Arrows with SP8000
225/40-16 The right rear does occasionally rub, but not enough to make a mark
on the tire. It might be different if you carry passengers in the back, but
the only person that rides in the back of my car is my daughter and that is
only 40Lbs. car seat included. If you do carry passengers a lot, then you may
want to opt for 205/45 instead. New Dimensions runs that size on almost every
one of their project cars.

Jim 





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Tue Feb 11 15:56 CST 1997
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: gti-vr6@pebbs
Subject: Re: Rust specks on white car?
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 1997 16:43:10 -0500 (EST)
 
In a message dated 97-02-11 12:42:00 EST, &#76;ukeWhite9&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:

<< P.S.  Anyone with the mud/splash guards have any comments about their
 effectiveness in keeping the road goo off the sides of the car?  I ordered
 some floor mats and splach guards from Timmons VW last week and they should
 be arriving soon!
  >>

I just put the splash guards(f+r) on last week. They look really good, but
not as good as no splash guards. They really do cut down on the crud sprayed
up the side of the car. When I had the GA's on the car I didn't really see a
need for them but my new tires(Dunlop SP8000 225/40-16) seem to spray a lot
more crud. I don't know if it's the tread pattern or the extra tire width
that causes it, but probably a little of both.

Jim





From owner-gti-vr6@pebbs Fri Feb 21 09:24 CST 1997
From: Sean Robbins <sean.robbins@asu>
To: Jimtunes@aol
Subject: Re: GTI VR6 Pace Car
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 1997 08:14:14 +0000
Cc: gti-vr6@pebbs
Organization: Arizona State University
 
&#74;imtunes&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:
> 
> For those of you on the west coast NASA has a new Neuspeed GTI Cup race
> series this year. The cars are all A1 GTI's with basically stock 1.8 8v
> engines. They all run the same suspension and  tires(I believe Toyo Proxes
> R1) on stock size and weight rims. Very few other suspension and engine mods
> are allowed with the exception of camber plates and a header. It should be an
> exciting series to watch.>

	I heard about this a while ago...sounds like a very good opprotunity to
race inexpensive cars.
 
> For the series Volkswagon of America is providing a GTI VR6 to use as the
> official pace car.

	Haha, how many races to you see where the pace car can beat the entire
field?  :)

 Neuspeed is modifying it with the following, f+r sway
> bars, f+r strut tie bars, sport lowering springs with Bilstein shocks,
> stainless steel brake lines, p-chip, p-flo, 8mm spark plug wires, BBS RX
> 17x7.5 rims with Toyo Proxes R1 205/40-17 tires.
> 
-Sean






From aqn Wed Feb 26 09:12:19 CST 1997
Subject: Weight
 
						Weight		Diam.
						------		------
    Eagle GA on stock rim:			40 lbs		22 1/2"
    Yok AVS-I 215/40-17 on 17x7.5 wheel		44 lbs		23 1/4"
    Eagle GA (see below, "Jun  2 10:33:33")	15-16




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Apr 3 13:34 CST 1997
From: Don Pavlik <pavlik@platinum>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: alignment with suspension
Date: Thu, 03 Apr 1997 13:27:28 -0600
 
Hey all,

I just got the car back from the dealer for trans repairs (re-check) and the
service manager "did me a favor" and did an alignment (he was being nice,
good guy) BUT they put it back to the factory settings. :(  I don't know
what the factory alignment specs are but my razor sharp handling is gone.
If you get or have NS Bilsteins and SofSport springs be sure to use
Neuspeeds recommended settings of 1 deg neg camber, 1/16" toe-out. These
settings do not cause abnormal tire wear (at least not on my 'mobile) and
the steering response and on-center feel is better than the factory setting
(I'm assuming they did the alignment correctly).  Guess I'll make a trip to
my alignment buddy this weekend and have him "tweak" it for me.  
on another note,

Guy here just got a new Lexus LS400.  I was glancing it over and noticed
that it too wears Eagle GA rubber!! <bleck>  Can you imagine handing over
that kinda cash and still getting rotten rubber?  I'd be one pissed customer.  




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Fri Apr 4 22:04 CST 1997
From: Jimtunes@aol
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Wheels
Date: Fri, 4 Apr 1997 23:03:10 -0500 (EST)
 
In a message dated 97-04-04 12:15:37 EST, &#116;iantosc&#64;promethium.atria<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
(Fiorentino F. Iantosca) writes:

<< I will be buying new wheels for my car soon and was wondering if anyone
has gone
 through mail order and if you had had good luck with it?  I will probably be
 getting the 16" BBS RX with Dunlop 8000s, any size recommendations????? >>

I'm running SP-8000 225/40-16 on MOMO Arrows. Awsome handling!

Jim



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sat Apr 5 02:12 CST 1997
From: Kenneth Lee <kennethl@phoenix>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Wheels
Date: Sat, 05 Apr 1997 02:17:23 -0600
 
>I will be buying new wheels for my car soon and was wondering if anyone
has gone
>through mail order and if you had had good luck with it?  I will probably be
>getting the 16" BBS RX with Dunlop 8000s, any size recommendations?????

BBS only makes 16 x 7 for our cars which means the only size tire that will
fill nicely is 205/45 16.  225/40 will be too wide for those wheels even
though they're the true plus 1 size.

Later,
Kenneth




From aqn Mon Apr 7 14:35:09 CDT 1997
 
http://members.aol.com/VWNUT99/jwelty.vw.html

    17 x 7.5 Fittipaldi Exclusives 
    Continental CZ91 205/40/17




From aqn Mon Jun 2 10:33:33 CDT 1997
Subject: Weight
 
Eagle GA's weight:  15-16 lbs/ea




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Jun 26 12:00 CDT 1997
From: Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom>
To: "Forkenbrock, Garrick" <Garrick.Forkenbrock@nhtsa.dot.gov>
Subject: Re: Koni suspension "The Finale" -Reply
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 11:54:04 -0500
Cc: Return requested Receipt notification requested <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Organization: "GTi Nut 1" Read it and weep!
 
> Mike Bigus wrote--
> 
> >1-1/6" toe out

OOps! Monster typo!  That should read 1/16".

-- 
Mike

Mike Bigus ==&gt; &#71;TiVR6r&#64;ix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>com<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>    &gt;&gt; GTi NUT 1 &lt;&lt;
'96 GTi VR6 Tornado Red with a 3/96 born on date CSP
If Ted Kennedy had only driven a Volkswagen Bettle on 
that fateful night, he'd probably be president. ;-)



From GTiVR6r@ixcom Wed Jun 25 19:01 CDT 1997
From: Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom>
To: aqn@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Koni suspension "The Finale"
Date: Wed, 25 Jun 1997 18:58:53 -0500
Organization: "GTi Nut 1" Read it and weep!
 
&#97;qn&#64;dev.tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:
> 
>   Hey Mike,
> 
>   How about sharing with us what your alignment specs are?  Don't forget
>   to also mention what suspension components you currently have.
>   Thanks.

Well Ok, but I reserve the right to "back-hand Bitch slap" the first 
person who complains about it!  You know who you are. ;-)

Wheels: Stock 15" 5-point star 1996 VW issue
Tires: Stock Eagle GAs (yuk :-P) 36 psi all around
Neuspeed Upper Strut Tie Bar
Front Anti-Roll Bar: Neuspeed 25mm
Rear Anti-Roll Bar: Neuspeed 28mm (on stiffest setting)
Springs: Neuspeed "Sport" Lowering springs
Shocks/Struts: Koni "Sport" externally adjustable

Alignment specs: front -2.5 degress camber & 1-1/6" toe out for 
agressive street and autocross driving.  Rear stock -2.1 degrees camber.

I bought the Anti-Roll bars & Upper strut tie bar as a set back in 
November of 1996 from ND as a internet special for $350.  I then
got the springs from ND in December of 1996 also as a internet 
special for $174.95.  The Konis I got from Neuspeed 2 weeks ago
for $543 not including s+h.  All components were instaleld by ME! :-)

There it is, no complaining now!  
I've been working out and it's gonna hurt! :-)

-- 
Mike

Mike Bigus ==&gt; &#71;TiVR6r&#64;ix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>com<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>    &gt;&gt; GTi NUT 1 &lt;&lt;
'96 GTi VR6 Tornado Red with a 3/96 born on date CSP
If Ted Kennedy had only driven a Volkswagen Bettle on 
that fateful night, he'd probably be president. ;-)



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Jun 26 21:28 CDT 1997
From: Mike Bigus <GTiVR6r@ixcom>
To: Peter Fellingham <pfellingham@rgi>
Subject: Re: Wheel Alignment
Date: Thu, 26 Jun 1997 21:22:18 -0500
Cc: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Organization: "GTi Nut 1" Read it and weep!
 
Peter Fellingham wrote:
> 
> Mike,
> 
> So what alignment did VW set for you, and have you confirmed this with your
> "angel" meter? 

I had asked that they reset the front camber to -2.5 degree with
1/16" toe out.  After rechecking it with the camber meter the
camber is closer to -2.2 on the left front and -2.3 on the right.
The toe out I have to take there word for, but I can feel a greater
on center position from the toe out.  Very straight ahead and dead on.
But a deffinate improvemnt over stock.

> Why measure it if it works?

Because they dorked it the first time by making my front wheels 
posative camber and the car cornered like shit.  Before with posative
camber I had to turn the steering wheel almost 180 degrees to take a 90
dergee corner, now a 90 degree corner is taken with a bit more than 
quarter turn of the steering wheel, much faster and sooner,  and with 
the window open you can hear the tires bite while cornering, very nice.

> Because it works, and it may be different from what you think it is.
> 
> I think you mentioned that you had 2 degrees camber on your rear tires.  Is
> this correct?

According to the digital camber meter, the rear axel has a built-in
stock
camber of -2.1 on both sides.  I did not have the dealer change this 
nor did I change it myself, this is stock camber on our car's rear
axel.  The tires get rotated every 6 months according to the owners
manual and I have not seen any excesive tread ware on the rear tires
during this time.  And actually the outside edges have been kinda knawed
off from me learning to autocross this year, but no chunking or anything
major.

-- 
Mike

Mike Bigus ==&gt; &#71;TiVR6r&#64;ix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>com<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>    &gt;&gt; GTi NUT 1 &lt;&lt;
'96 GTi VR6 Tornado Red with a 3/96 born on date CSP
If Ted Kennedy had only driven a Volkswagen Bettle on 
that fateful night, he'd probably be president. ;-)



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Tue Jul 8 14:25 CDT 1997
From: Trips <trips@cris>
To: Gary Shu Kei Fung <gfung@sfu.ca>, post <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: Re: alignment off.
Date: Tue, 08 Jul 1997 15:17:19 -0400
 
Gary,

Don't bother with the dealer on this one... your best bet is to run down
the number of your local SCCA division and get a recommendation for a good
alignment shop in your area. Then call ND and ask them for their
recommended alignment specs. Then go to the shop and have the car aligned
to ND's numbers.

Be aware that you will have to strike a compromise between handling and
tire life with your alignment settings... I'd go with 1.5 degrees negative
camber and zero toe for long life and nice handling, but you could also go
to 2 degrees negative and 1/16 to 1/8 inch toe out for better handling at
the expense of shortened tire life.

David

At 12:59 AM 7/8/97 -0600, Gary Shu Kei Fung wrote:
>hi all,
>
> 
>       my alignment is off, the left side camber is not the same as the
>right side of my wheel. I've just had my lowering springs installed today ,
>and notice this after I got home. would it be the mechanic messed it up ,
>or it was a factory mistake? the mechanic did warned me when he was
>installing the springs. my car is brand new, only 2500 kms, did any of you
>people out there with aftermarket suspension setup had their car re-aligned
>by the dealer? please help , need help asap...
>
>
>Gary
>GTI-VR6 white, Neuspeed lowering springs, K&N with mod air box
>
>
>




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Aug 7 12:57 CDT 1997
From: Damian <dthomas@mindspring>
To: "Alexander O'connor Gibson" <agibson@engin.umich>
Subject: Re: Spax Springs
Date: Fri, 08 Aug 1997 13:51:06 -0400
Cc: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
 
> Hi.
>
> I've been considering getting a set of Spax Springs. From talking to
> one or t two suppliers in England it appears that Spax offers
> springs or kits with either a 60mm or a 30mm drop for the GTI VR6,
> or Golf VR6 there.

If that's the case, then I guess SPAX only brought over the 60mm ones to
the USA. SPAX springs will lower the ride height of an A3 considerably.
I like them... but, some tend to think that they lower the car too much
and some people have even had problems with scraping their oil pans as a
result.

> I was wondering if some of the members could comment on their
> experiences
> with the Spax springs and or complete systems. Any and all input would
> be
> most appreciated.

I had the complete 24-way adjustable kit on my car when the four
cylinder was still in it. After changing the engine, I changed to
Neuspeed lowering springs and kept the 24-way adjustable struts and
shocks... excellent ride quality!!! (the front is a little too high for
my tastes, though :-) ). Handling around corners are top notch even with
the stock sway bars that I hav on the car (stock GOLF SPORT sway bars, I
might add).

Incidentally... I ran into a fellow VW buff at my local Tower Records
two days ago...

Black '96 GTI-VR6
ABT gauges
ABT badges
17x7.5 inch ABT wheels on 205/40ZR17 Continental CZ 91s
DTM mirrors
Nothelle steering wheel
AMS chip
AMS air filter kit (P-flo basically)
Remus exhaust
Ground Control lowering springs
SPAX struts and shocks...

This was the lowest sitting A3 I have ever seen in my life!!! I thought
my car was low before I changed the springs, but this guy had all 4
wheels tucked up in the fenders... I guess that would by a shade TOO
extreme...
--
________________________________________________
VR6VR6VR6 | Damian Thomas
VR6VR6RV6 | Golf Sport VR6
VR6VR6VR6 | &#103;t6365a&#64;prism.gatech<img src=/i/de.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Aug 11 10:04 CDT 1997
From: douglas.carter@platinum
To: jettaglx@igtc, gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Performance alignments
Date: Mon, 11 Aug 1997 10:00:54 -0500
 

After recently installing the Neuspeed adjustable Koni's with the Neuspeed
Sport lowering springs, I had my geometry re-aligned to the specs listed
out on Neuspeed's instructions (if you can call them that).  The guy who
did the alignment gave me a REAL hard time about the specs I requested,
saying, "I've been doing this for 10 years, let me do it the right way."
Well, this is similar to brushing the coat of the cat the opposite way with
me, and I got real irritated. I proceeded to inform him that Neuspeed has
spent countless dollars and hours testing these settings, and this was what
they found to be the best compromise for performance and tire longevity.
He still didn't appear to be to excited about doing it my way. He also
didn't want to put toe out into it.  Honestly, I come from a rear-drive
past, in racing and street, and toe-out, in my experience, causes each of
the front tires to wander in different directions. My interpretation of the
need for toe-out was to compensate for play in the front-end components to
allow the front wheels to be straight under acceleration. I do not have any
idea why a front-drive system would need toe-out.

Well, he said he completed the alignment to my specs, but without a
computer printout, I'm skeptical. Don't ask me why I left without it.

What does the car do?  Well, around town, it tracks better than it ever did
from the factory... straight as an arrow.  On the expressway, above 80, it
pulls hard to the left.  Also, there is a pronounced tourque-steer, more
than ever at the beginning of a hard punch of the loud pedal. This is
really nothing more than irritating only if I'm trying to drive with one
hand. The obvious solution is to take it back and make them do it over
again, but can it be any closer than it already is?  I have heard that our
cars are not usually aligned sharp anyway.

My question is, has anyone else used different settings other than the
prescribed 1/16th toe out and 1 degree camber?

Turbo Tim?  Aaron, are you out there?  Arthur?


Thanks guys,
Doug




From aqn Sun Oct 12 18:24:47 CDT 1997
 
Wheels on my car:

    TSW Concept II  17 x 7.5  30mm offset  5x100mm  bolt pattern
    Tires: Yok AVS-I 215/40-17





From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Tue Oct 28 19:43 CST 1997
From: motorsport1 <mtrsprt1@warwick>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: BBS RC's
Date: Tue, 28 Oct 1997 20:35:18 -0500
 
I just got my new wheels in and I must say I am quite impressed. They
are 16x7.5 and only weigh 16lbs!! So those of you who are autoxing or
doing time trials, these are excellent wheels. The polished look is okay
but the lack of weight & BBS name make up for it.  Buy them if you can.




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Dec 15 17:26 CST 1997
From: Todd <trad@worldnet.att>
To: Ross B Stuart <rstuart@U.Arizona>, gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Tire Help
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 18:14:58 -0500
 
Here's my experience...

95 GTI with Fitti Luguans 17x7.5 35 mm offset with 215/40 AVS
Intermediates.  Minor rubbing (no tire damage but annoying) on the rear
when loaded only.  Neuspeed lowering sport springs.  Excellent grip...until
worn.  Got 22,000 miles outta them with 0 degree toe and 1/2 degree neg
camber.

97 Cabrio with MSW Type 45's 17x7.5 35mm offset with 205/40 A510 Yoks.
Absolutely no rubbing at all.  Neuspeed springs again.  Good grip (remember
it's a 4 banger)!  Wear...better than AVS but only 7500 so far.  Factory
suspension settings.

By the way, FORGET ANY THOUGHTS OF NO DAMAGE TO EITHER IF YOU BRUSH
SOMETHING!!!  It'll get the rim on both!!!!

Email me back if you want pics.

Todd
Florida



At 09:38 PM 12/14/97 +0000, you wrote:
>Hi all,
>
[...] 29  lines changed
>




From pbarnicl@terasys Fri Dec 19 10:47 CST 1997
From: Patrick Barnicle <pbarnicl@terasys>
To: aqn@dev.tivoli,
Subject: Re: 16" Wheels -Reply
Date: Fri, 19 Dec 1997 10:22:06 -0600
 
In answer to your question, there really is no black/white comparison if
he went with the plus 1 size.  I have 205 45 16, and that's a correct plus
1.  However, the tires look a bit stretched on the rim, so if I'd do it again,
I'd go with 215 45/40 16 I think.    However, when I took my existing stock
wheel off I stood it up next to my existing tires and they were almost
identical in height.  Don't forget that when you drove your car off the
showroom, it had new tires and your speedo was correct.  If you held on
to those tires until they were bald, you're missing almost .5-1" of tread,
which affects your speedo as well.  After all of my rambling, I think the
wheel/tire combo that you're looking at will not significantly affect your
speedo.

Pat

&gt;&gt;&gt; &lt;&#97;qn&#64;dev.tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; 12/12/97 09:28am &gt;&gt;&gt;
J Torres wrote:
> I would like some feedback from the list members running 16" wheels.  I
> made a deal with Abe to buy his 16x7.5 O.Z. Montecarlos with Toyo T1
> 215/40/16.  I wanted to know if there was any speedo changes or
anything
> else to worry about.

  The gearing, and thus acceleration can be affected by changes as
  small as 3% - 5%.  Also if the new wheel/tire combo is heavier,
  it will hurt acceleration performance to some degree.  But such a
  small change is not noticeable as far as speedo reading and fuel
  economy is concerned (at least, it isn't for me).

> Abe mentioned I might need to have my rear wheel
> wells rolled, but since I have the stock suspension(for now) I probably
> will be OK.  Any comments welcomed.

  The travel of the suspension usually has nothing to do with whether
  or not the tires rub (as always, extreme cases are the exception).
  If a tire rubs, it has more to do with tires that are too wide
  or wheels that have not-quite-correct offsets.  Either of these
  factors cause the outside edge of the wheel/tire to be further out
  that it should be, thus rubbing on the inner lip of the fender 
  thus necessitating rolling the fender lip.  Or they can cause
  the inside edge of the wheel/tire to be further in, thus rubbing
  on the suspension components.

  In either cases, there will be rubbing regardless of the suspension
  set-up, since at full compression of the suspension, a wheel/tire
  ends up at more or less the same place regardless of the
  suspension set-up.

  In my case (17x7.5 wheels, 30mm offset, 215/40-17 tires), the rears
  rub at full compression, no problem with the fronts.

-- 
Andy Nguyen \ &#97;qn&#64;tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> \ Tivoli Systems, Austin, TX 512.436.8229
        Ave, XTela, morituri te salutamus.



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Fri Jan 9 18:12 CST 1998
From: Scott Catlin <scott.catlin@sierra>
To: "Jonathan Thames" <jthames@monbar>, "Loren B." <BLUE-DEVIL@webtv>
Subject: Re: tires
Date: Fri, 9 Jan 98 16:18:27 -0000
Cc: "GTI List" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
 
I concur.
I have 205/40/17 Continental CZ91s on my 17" BBS RXs. I've had em for 
about 7000 miles and they've been great. However, in just 7000 miles I've 
had to rotate the tires already because the fronts were worn down like 
Santa the day after Christmas. I don't expect to get 12,000 miles out of 
em. But damn, they grip! Definitely happy with Continentals. 

>	I have a set of Continental CV90 205/55/15s on my stock 
>BBS wheels.  They ride softer in normal driving, handle 
>tremendously when dogging it (limited only by the sloppy stock 
>suspension), and are much quieter on the highway than the GAs (the 55 
>profile makes a difference).  Solid in the rain, too. They have a low 
>treadwear indicator, like 20k - 25k, but I've had these for 12k and 
>they  are wearing great, so we'll see. I am happy with them, and 
>would buy another set.
> 	Tires are a wierd thing - what works great on one model car sucks 
>on another.  My dad loved the Dunlop D40M2s on his '94 750il, but I 
>hated them on my '87 535i. The Contis do really well on my GLX.
>--
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>    list archive, etc.  see:   http://www.panix.com/~aqn/gti_vr6_list/




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Tue Jan 13 14:16 CST 1998
From: "Holland J. Phillips" <phillip3@Apple>
To: "South" <slloyd@syssrc>, "GTI VR6 List" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: Re: Another thought: wheel fitment
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 98 11:37:16 -0800
 
>list of 16" wheel possibilities is still very thin.

There just aren't many wheels out there with the 5 on 100mm bolt pattern 
and a 35-38mm offset.  I went through the same thing when I was shopping 
for wheels.  I did learn that the old Pontiac Fiero 6 cylinder uses the 
same bolt pattern and offset, so if you find a wheel you like, and they 
say there is no listing for VR6 VW's, ask them to check for the Fiero 
fitment...

Holland




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Tue Jan 13 21:43 CST 1998
From: Arthur Emerson <emerson@eideti>
To: "Holland J. Phillips" <phillip3@Apple>
Subject: Re: Another thought: wheel fitment
Date: Tue, 13 Jan 1998 22:25:10 -0500
Cc: South <slloyd@syssrc>, GTI VR6 List <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
 
Holland J. Phillips wrote:
> 
> There just aren't many wheels out there with the 5 on 100mm bolt pattern
> and a 35-38mm offset.  I went through the same thing when I was shopping
> for wheels.  I did learn that the old Pontiac Fiero 6 cylinder uses the
> same bolt pattern and offset, so if you find a wheel you like, and they
> say there is no listing for VR6 VW's, ask them to check for the Fiero
> fitment...

Be forewarned that any wheel fitted to a VW must be hub-centric.
Some come with special hub inserts to make them work.  If the
ones your looking at are not hub-centric, walk away fast.

On the bright side, all A4 VW's will be coming with 5-lug wheels.
Look for the market to improve.....

-Arthur




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Wed Jan 21 17:22 CST 1998
From: "Holland J. Phillips" <phillip3@Apple>
To: "Mike Shields" <mshields@inconnect>, "GTI-VR6 List" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: Re: Wheel Comparisons
Date: Wed, 21 Jan 98 12:37:49 -0800
 
>Has anyone compared the BBS RX to the TSW Hockenheim R or Moda Sport? 
>(Weight, durability, looks in person, etc). I'm looking at all, but I 
>don't think I'm going to have the money to handle the RX's since they are 
>going to be at least 25% more. Unless they are that much better :^).
>
>BTW: I'm looking at the 16x7.5's if that matters - Shod with either Toyo 
>Proxes or SP7000 215/40's

First off, the RX's only come in 16x7.0".  The TSW's are a little stodgy 
looking in the 16" size - looks much better in 17".  Also, as was noted 
in the past, the TSW's are soft, and will bend much easier than the 
BBS's.  The Moda's are made by BBS, so the quality should be there.  
Bottom line - blow the extra $$ and go for the BBS, or Moda's.
The Tire Rack has the RX's in 16x7.0 for somewhere between $272 and $324.
They have the Moda Sport's in 16x7.5" for $229.
I have TSW Blades in 16x7.5 on my '92 and paid about $192 ea., so the 
Hock's should be about the same.
The Rack still has the Dunlop SP-8000's on sale for $100 ea. in the 
225/40-ZR16, size - now that's a smokin' deal.  I have those on both my 
'92 and '97, both cars are lowered, and I have VERY minimal rubbing in 
the rear - you can't see any marks on the sidewalls.

Good luck whichever way you choose to go,
Holland




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Wed Feb 11 13:08 CST 1998
From: David Kim <glxvr6@ibm>
To: Corey Hels <chels@wbfa>
Subject: Re: 17's and tire size
Date: Wed, 11 Feb 1998 14:02:25 -0500
Cc: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
 
Corey,

I've got 17" x 7.5" OZ Racing Competition rims and Dunlop SP Sport
8000's in 215 40 zr 17, there seems to be no problem at all with
rubbing.  The car has also been lowered with Neuspeed Lowering springs
and the stock struts/shocks have been shelved in favor of Neuspeed
Bilstein HD's.  I've been told that the 205 size is a bit on the narrow
side for 7.5" wide rims.

Hope this helps,

David Kim
1997 Vento GLX




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sun Apr 19 02:00 CDT 1998
From: "Todd Taylor" <taylort@execpc>
To: "GTI-VR6 Posse ;P" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>, "Stan Wong" <stanwong@slip>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] 17"rims
Date: Sun, 19 Apr 1998 01:57:48 -0500
 
Stan:

I have 17x7.5" wheels with 215/40/17's and I have a rubbing problem
(Neuspeed lowering springs. Boge Progas Shocks.)  I'd definately go with
17x7" and a 205/40/17 if I could do it over again because that is almost
exactly the same overall dimension as the factory wheels/tires... the
215/40's are a little bigger in diameter, hence the rubbing.

Sincerely,
Todd Taylor
Venom Motorsports

>I'm thinking about going 17x7 rims for my car. Possible choices are Fitt
>Polaris, Borbet Type T, and Zender Challenge wheels. Lot's of people say
>the 17inchers will have rubbing problems. Is that true? Would it be safe
>to run 215/40/17s (mostly commonly used size) or go with the 205/40/17s?
>I'm thinking about ordering a tire/rim set from Tire Rack. Are they good
>on recommending/stocking the right offset sizes for my vr6? I've heard
>some pretty shabby things about Discout Tires so I won't deal with them.
>Anybody have dealt with Tire Rack please let me know. I've seen the
>Zender Challenge wheels in a 16X7 size in THE GOLF magazine but wonder
>if they are available here. Autotech just lists the 17x7 and 15X7 size
>(where are the 16s?). Thanks for the help.
>
&gt;Stan Wong (&#115;tanwong&#64;slip<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> or &#98;ubbavr6&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>)
>98 GTI-VR6 w/ red stitching (didn't know about the blue and yellow
>colors)
>--
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>    list archive, etc.  see:   http://www.panix.com/~aqn/gti_vr6_list/
>



From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Apr 20 13:14 CDT 1998
From: David E ...... <d.......@.....uky>
To: "Rodrigues,Manny" <Manny_Rodrigues@so.xerox>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Tire Width ?
Date: Mon, 20 Apr 1998 14:04:57 -0400 (EDT)
Cc: GTI Mailing List <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
 


On Mon, 20 Apr 1998, Rodrigues,Manny wrote:

> Folks,
> 
> Tire Rack told me I can't run 215/50/15's or 215/45/16's on my VR6.  I 
>  know this is simply not true, the guy told me 205's only and that's it.
>
> 1998 GTI VR6, Garrettized (08), SRS Street Suspension, Black/Black Leather

Sitting up high on that Shine suspension, you should be able to run either
of those, depending on your wheel offset.  In fact, if you are careful
about offset(35mm) and wheel size(16x7.5"), you should be able to do what
I did and go with 225/40-16's with little or no rubbing.  FWIW, I have the
Spax 60mm drop with 16x7.5 35ET wheels and 225/40 tires.  With no
modification to the fender wells at all, I only have rubbing on severe
dips in the rear, and extreme cornering in the front.  Even then, the
rubbing is so minor that there is nothing visible on the tire or fender.

-Dave



From
From: "C2Motorsports" <C2Motorsports@bellsouth>
To: <airmech@houston.rr>, "Paul Skabich" <pskabich@Langan>, <list@gti-vr6>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Rims & tyres sizes
Date: Wed, 10 Sep 2003 15:47:28 -0400
 
Hmmm, this is what I have run successfully: 


On my 97 I have run the following
H&R Sport Springs with Koni adjustable


17x8 w/ 215/40zr17 et 35mmm
17x7.5 w/ 215/40zr17 et 35mm
16x7.5 w/225/40zr16 et 35mm
15x6.5 w/205/50zr15

On my 01 NB
H&R Sport Springs 

17x7.5 w/ 225/45zr17



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