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VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:42:37 -0500
PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:00:28 -0500
Re: VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:31 -0600 (MDT)
Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT)
Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT)
Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus "Robert M. Carnochan" <Robert.Carnochan@Colorado> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:35 -0700
Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:42:23 -0600 (MDT)
Re: VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus "David ......" <v......._racer@qx> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:36:26 -0400
Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus "David ......" <v......._racer@qx> Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:40:55 -0400
Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !! Randy Walters <RandyWal@ixcom> Sat, 08 May 1999 22:45:34 -0700
Re: Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !! Randy Walters <RandyWal@ixcom> Sun, 09 May 1999 20:43:35 -0700
Re: Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !! Cliff Loh <vcmc001@ibm> Sun, 09 May 1999 22:22:49 -0700
Re: Welds 13x9 wheels Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI> Fri, 14 May 1999 23:27:14 -0600 (MDT)



From vwautox-return-1753-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 10:49 CDT 1999
From: "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
To: vwautox@egroups
Subject: VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:42:37 -0500
 
Ok folks,

So what's the net consensus on lightweight racing rims for
the 1995+ VR6 VW's?  I'd obviously like to get some that
are hubcentric and 15" that fit over the stock brakes...
Pricing is needed, but clearly I realize that you'll have
to fork over big cash for the luxury of these rims...

Iain--I've saved all your messages about the doom and gloom
of the 10 lb. Volk rims...  But, I *would* like to hear of
anyone that's currently got these to know if they've suffered
from stress fractures or have prematurely exploded on course!  :)

TIA,

Mark


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From vwautox-return-1754-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 11:06 CDT 1999
From: "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
To: vwautox@egroups
Subject: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:00:28 -0500
 
Has anyone heard of Auto Extreme?  They carry the Volk TE37's...

	http://autoextreme.com/MAINPAGE.htm

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From vwautox-return-1755-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 11:07 CDT 1999
From: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>
To: "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
Subject: Re: VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:31 -0600 (MDT)
Cc: vwautox@egroups
 
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, C. Mark Skelton wrote:

> Ok folks,
>
> So what's the net consensus on lightweight racing rims for
> the 1995+ VR6 VW's?  I'd obviously like to get some that
> are hubcentric and 15" that fit over the stock brakes...
> Pricing is needed, but clearly I realize that you'll have
> to fork over big cash for the luxury of these rims...

Talk to Dave ...... about his Welds - he got the "other" ones - I have
Type 72, I think his are 53s or something.  Forget, he has the 2 piece
15x7.  The 72s are 3 piece, about 1 pound heavier than the equivalent
Keizer, mine have been great.  Mine are not hubcentric, they're not
really street wheels - the Weld guy did'nt say "DON'T run these on the
street," but they are a race wheel -  who knows, I like them.  Beyond
that, I don't really know.




>
> Iain--I've saved all your messages about the doom and gloom
> of the 10 lb. Volk rims...  But, I *would* like to hear of
> anyone that's currently got these to know if they've suffered
> from stress fractures or have prematurely exploded on course!  :

I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually using a Volk on an
autocross car - I think that guy Gabe with the Cabriolet has some, had
some, maybe.  One would like to think they're strong, it is more the
weight I doubt than the strength(but if as light as claimed, I'm
scared;).

I love my Welds.  They're not cheap, but they do work well - they hold
air, they're round, they're light:).


Iain




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From vwautox-return-1756-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 11:25 CDT 1999
From: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>
To: "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
Subject: Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:24:57 -0600 (MDT)
Cc: vwautox@egroups
 
I just looked at the page - $315 for a 15x7?  You could probably get a
good "real" race wheel for less than that.  Just looked at
http://www.weldracing.com/roadracepl.htm

Type 72s in 15x7 are $365(money well spent, compared to the Volks, if
you ask me), Type 76(the two piece welded wheel) are $330.

As a side note, calling Weld and asking for a price break can't hurt.
It can help:).

Also, try http://www.rsracing.com/ for Welds, also - and all your
Hoosier tire needs.

http://www.rsracing.com/realwhl/lugmnt.htm

This is the price list for Real Racing Wheels - less than $200 for a
13 pound 15x7.  I have no direct experience with Real wheels, but Ron
is a great guy & won't steer you wrong.

For an autocross car, I'd personally look toward race wheels(not a
"Race" wheel as advertised by some "Tuner," but real racing wheels).
3 piece wheels are nice as you can buy portions of a wheel - I've
never needed to buy a rim half, but it'd be cheaper than a whole new
wheel.  You can also buy different width outers to make your wheels
wider or narrower, if desired.  Lots of benefits, and if you're
thinking of spending $300 a wheel anyway, you might as well get
something adjustable, so to speak.  The Reals are cheap, by
comparison.

Ron's Weld pricing is outdated, but I'd personally contact him to see
what he can do.   Good luck!


I.Mannix(I avoid anything with "extreme" in the name;)




On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, C. Mark Skelton wrote:

> Has anyone heard of Auto Extreme?  They carry the Volk TE37's...
>
> 	http://autoextreme.com/MAINPAGE.htm
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From vwautox-return-1758-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 11:40 CDT 1999
From: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>
To: Cliff Loh <vcmc001@ibm>
Subject: Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:40:28 -0600 (MDT)
Cc: "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>, vwautox@egroups
 
On Fri, 30 Apr 1999, Cliff Loh wrote:

> What about a set of Panasports?  There relatively light and very
> strong for race wheels

Seems to me that you can get a 3 piece wheel for similar cash -
nothing against Panasports, I used to have some Performance Industries
Superlights("super" light?!?), while not the same, they were similar -
nothing really bad to say about them, but if I were to do it again,
I'd skip them and get a set of Reals, Welds, even Keizers.  I like the
looks of the Real wheels on Ron's page.  Cheap(relatively), 3 piece,
light, should be strong.

Panasports seem good, but IIRC, they were $140 each for a decent sized
13 or so 4 years ago - for  $180, you can get wide 13 3 pieces.
Shrug, dunno.  Tough decision.  I bought my first set of wheels with a
very limited budget, got my Superlights for $100 each - at the time,
$160 was out of the question.

Had I known about Diamond Racing Wheels, I'd have bought them - spun
steel, not THAT heavy, 13x9s are $70 each or so.  I think they're 15
pounds or so.  Lots of choices!


I.Mannix



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From vwautox-return-1759-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 12:09 CDT 1999
From: "Robert M. Carnochan" <Robert.Carnochan@Colorado>
To: vcmc001@ibm
Subject: Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 10:07:35 -0700
Cc: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>, "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>,
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
Cliff Loh wrote:
>
> What about a set of Panasports?  There relatively light and very
> strong for race wheels.
>
> Iain Mannix wrote:
> >
> > I just looked at the page - $315 for a 15x7?  You could probably get a
> > good "real" race wheel for less than that.  Just looked at
> > http://www.weldracing.com/roadracepl.htm
> >
> > Type 72s in 15x7 are $365(money well spent, compared to the Volks, if
> > you ask me), Type 76(the two piece welded wheel) are $330.
> >

I don't know if they're still in business, but I got a set of panasport
look-a-likes from a place in Miami called Performance Industires.

13x8 rims weigh about 12 to 13 lbs and only cost $120 each (a couple
years ago).  Per Schroeder used to run them on his DSP Jetta, and Jerry
Irvine (DSP Nat. trophy winner in an A2 Golf) runs them as well.  I
think they called them superlites or something like that.

Just my $0.2 worth,

Rob Carnochan
87 16V GTi
21 CSP

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From vwautox-return-1760-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 12:42 CDT 1999
From: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>
To: "Robert M. Carnochan" <Robert.Carnochan@Colorado>
Subject: Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 11:42:23 -0600 (MDT)
Cc: vcmc001@ibm, "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>,
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
> I don't know if they're still in business, but I got a set of panasport
> look-a-likes from a place in Miami called Performance Industires.

I had a set of these - 13x7, Counnas runs them now.  3 5/8" backspace,
not quite enough.  The 8" wheels came with a more appropriate 4.5 or
5" backspace.  I am not sure if they are still available - when I
bought mine, the 8s were $140 or so.  My 13x7s were 14 pounds.  Pain
in the butt to get tires onto - dunno if this is the case with the 8"
wheels.  OTOH, mounting tires on my Welds is _really_ easy.  Good
luck!

I.Mannix



>
> 13x8 rims weigh about 12 to 13 lbs and only cost $120 each (a couple
> years ago).  Per Schroeder used to run them on his DSP Jetta, and Jerry
> Irvine (DSP Nat. trophy winner in an A2 Golf) runs them as well.  I
> think they called them superlites or something like that.
>
> Just my $0.2 worth,
>
> Rob Carnochan
> 87 16V GTi
 21 CSP


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From vwautox-return-1762-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 20:41 CDT 1999
From: "David ......" <v......._racer@qx>
To: "Iain Mannix" <mannix@privateI>, "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
Subject: Re: VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:36:26 -0400
Cc: <vwautox@egroups>
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
First, if you're running in stock, stick with stock Corrado, GTI-VR6, or
Jetta GLX wheels.  Almost nothing else fits the bill.  If you are moving on
from stock, read on...

>Talk to Dave ...... about his Welds - he got the "other" ones - I have
>Type 72, I think his are 53s or something.  Forget, he has the 2 piece
>15x7.  The 72s are 3 piece, about 1 pound heavier than the equivalent
>Keizer, mine have been great.  Mine are not hubcentric, they're not
>really street wheels - the Weld guy did'nt say "DON'T run these on the
>street," but they are a race wheel -  who knows, I like them.  Beyond
>that, I don't really know.


I've got the 2-piece Type 76.  Don't let the name fool you, though--they're
welded together, so they're definitely not modular.  I've got 15x7" with 5"
back space(38mm offset in non-race terms), but had to use 5mm spacers up
front to clear the brakes.  This makes the tires protrude slightly from the
fender well, bumping me from STR to STU (but I'm ready for the new DSP,
dammit).  I like 'em, though.  I got 'em for ~$260 per.

>I don't think I've ever seen anyone actually using a Volk on an
>autocross car - I think that guy Gabe with the Cabriolet has some, had
>some, maybe.  One would like to think they're strong, it is more the
>weight I doubt than the strength(but if as light as claimed, I'm
>scared;).


There's a team running Type R's in one of the touring series(dominating it
in 98) on Volk TE37's.  A friend of mine whom I introduced to autocross(and
bought a 99 Miata Sport as a result) bought a set of 'em for race wheels but
hasn't run them yet.  They're spooky light.  I never put 'em on a scale, but
I'd say they were EASILY under 10lbs for a 15x6" (remember, they're forged
magnesium--same stuff many really light race wheels are made of).  It's hard
to fit them on a VR6, though.

>I love my Welds.  They're not cheap, but they do work well - they hold
>air, they're round, they're light:).


Yeah, what he said...

Finding a race wheels for the VR6 cars is hell.  I spent all winter
searching, looking at:
Diamond Racing steelies    No good backspace
Real Racing    No good backspace
Volk    Not the right back space, none ever tried on a VR6 car
Panasport    No good backspace, possible brake clearance problems

In the end, I found only 3 that could satisfactorily fit my criteria(15x7,
38-40mm offset, sub-14lbs).  Those were Litespeed Keizer knock-offs at $200
per and the Welds at $260 per.  I chose the Welds based on appearance (I
know--they're race wheels, but they ARE purty), reputation, and Iain's
reccomendation.

-dave


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From vwautox-return-1763-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Fri Apr 30 20:45 CDT 1999
From: "David ......" <v......._racer@qx>
To: <vwautox@egroups>, "C. Mark Skelton" <skelton@dazel>
Subject: Re: PS. VR6 15" Racing Rims--Net Consensus
Date: Fri, 30 Apr 1999 21:40:55 -0400
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
My friend mail ordered his through Mile High Auto or something like that in
Colorado.  They're online somewhere.  Their pricing was better and they
didn't have that slimy feel.

-dave


>Has anyone heard of Auto Extreme?  They carry the Volk TE37's...
>
> http://autoextreme.com/MAINPAGE.htm



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From vwautox-return-1836-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Sun May 9 00:46 CDT 1999
From: Randy Walters <RandyWal@ixcom>
To: a2_16v@connecticom
Subject: Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !!
Date: Sat, 08 May 1999 22:45:34 -0700
Cc: vcmc001@ibm, vwautox@egroups
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
 Revolution Enthusiasts:

 I just found out who got the U.S. Distributorship for Revolution Wheels,
it's TTRS (Tom Tatalovich Racing Services).  I'm planning on getting  a
nice 89 E30 BMW 325is in the near future and i want to get a set of 15"
Revolutions for it so i searched around and inquired here and there and
found out TTRS has been selected by Revolution to import and distribute
their wheels in the good old USA.    For those (Cliff Loh) who have been
wondering  where to get Revolution wheels in the USA since RWS lost
em this is apparently the only place from what i can find.  Since they're
a distributor, they may have agreements with independent dealers
who might have better prices so it'd be worth a shot to ask who
their dealers are first,  if they have any at all.

 It looks like all the usual sizes and styles are still available as
they're all shown and listed on the TTRS website:

http://www.ttrsracing.com/revolution.htm


 I've heard a few goog things about TTRS,  and anything would
be better than dealing with RWS again.   At least the TTRS site
mentions up front that custom-drilled or special-orders could take
6 to 12 weeks,  when RWS would promise 2 weeks only to have
him stretch it out to 12 anyway.  Man i hated dealing with RWS !


 Randy Walters
 85 GTi DSP
 86 GLi ES
 BMW 325is soon :-)                 (OO==00==OO)





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From vwautox-return-1843-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Mon May 10 00:13 CDT 1999
From: Randy Walters <RandyWal@ixcom>
To: vwautox@egroups (VW auto-x mailing list)
Subject: Re: Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !!
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 20:43:35 -0700
Organization: University of Colorado Bands
 
Andy wrote:

>  [ Reply-To directed to vwautox list. ]

 And i thank you for that.  I keep forgetting that we have to
manually address it to the list or it just goes to the original
poster.   I hate when that happens . . . .

>Randy Walters wrote:
>>  It looks like all the usual sizes and styles are still available as
>> they're all shown and listed on the TTRS website:
>> http://www.ttrsracing.com/revolution.htm


>  Hey Randy,
>  Do you have any info on the weight of Revolution Wheels?
>  Thanks.

 No i don't unfortunately,  but the one thing i do know is that
RWS said the 14x6 Revolution weighed 12 lbs when it in fact
weighs 15½ lbs.   I would assume that the Revolutions aren't
as light as we think they are :-)   Maybe a quick call to TTRS
is in order !

 Randy




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From vwautox-return-1844-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Mon May 10 00:23 CDT 1999
From: Cliff Loh <vcmc001@ibm>
To: VW auto-x mailing list <vwautox@egroups>
Subject: Re: Revolution Wheels - New U.S. Distributor !!
Date: Sun, 09 May 1999 22:22:49 -0700
Organization: ...means having a condom ready when it counts
 
Randy Walters wrote:
>

> >> http://www.ttrsracing.com/revolution.htm
>
> >  Hey Randy,
> >  Do you have any info on the weight of Revolution Wheels?
> >  Thanks.
>
>  No i don't unfortunately,  but the one thing i do know is that
> RWS said the 14x6 Revolution weighed 12 lbs when it in fact
> weighs 15½ lbs.   I would assume that the Revolutions aren't
> as light as we think they are :-)   Maybe a quick call to TTRS
> is in order !
>

If I remember correctly, the 13x7 RFX rim weighed in at 12 lbs.
(according to my bathroom scale)

-c.
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From vwautox-return-1883-aqn=dev.tivoli@returns.egroups Sat May 15 00:27 CDT 1999
From: Iain Mannix <mannix@privateI>
Subject: Re: Welds 13x9 wheels
Date: Fri, 14 May 1999 23:27:14 -0600 (MDT)
 

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I have a set, I love them.  5" backspace - no idea on offset(gotta rid
the world of that goofy measurement;).  They're light, seem to be
strong(not bent a wheel in two seasons), don't leak, ehh, I like mine.
I drive an 84 GTI also - 5" backspace will work just fine.  Weld makes
a good wheel, a bit expensive, but they seem to be worth the cash -
they weigh ten pounds on the nose.  I've yet to weigh two Keizers and
get the same number - Keizers seem to work OK, but the Welds seem more
consistent.  Kevin has a set of 13x9 Type 72s, Dave ...... has a set
of 15x7 76s.  AFAIK, we're all pretty happy with them.


I.Mannix(never heard Dave or Kevin complain...)

On Sat, 15 May 1999 &#87;rvwgti&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:

> Has anyone have any experience with the Welds brand and 13x9 size?  I'm
> thinking about replacing my13x7 Revolutions.  What kind of backspacing and
> offsets will I need to make sure that they will fit my 84 GTi properly. Any
> suggestions or advice.
>
> Thanks,
> Wally Ruanto
> 84 GTI DSP 49
>
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