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RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter C G [mailto:indycorradog60@hotmail]
RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter "Dan the Subscriber" <dansubscribes@prodigy> Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:27:13 -0400
RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter "Dan the Subscriber" <dansubscribes@prodigy> Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:05:28 -0400
Re: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter "Bob Tillman" <bobt@p-vector> Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:09:41 -0400
Re: [gti-vr6] Starter problems Perry Goutsos <pgoutsos@yahoo> Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
Re: [gti-vr6] Starter problems VWSpdRacer@aol Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:27:00 EDT



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From: C G [mailto:indycorradog60@hotmail]
To: dansubscribes@prodigy
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter
 
Dan,

My starter is ok I believe.
When i turn the key I can hear it turning (whirrrrrr).
But the solenoid is not popping to turn over the engine.
I'll have to check that copper lead.
Maybe I bumped it and it broke when I was changing my oil earlier today.

Thanks for the heads up on that!!!!!!!!

Cory

"I'd rather push a VW, than drive a Honda"

VW: Driver's Wanted!!!



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From: "Dan the Subscriber" <dansubscribes@prodigy>
To: "C G" <indycorradog60@hotmail>
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:27:13 -0400
Cc: "GTI List" <list@gti-vr6>
 
If you hear it spinning then you are likely getting power to it and thus the
solenoid connection is fine.  The starter won't turn without the solenoid
feeding it power.  Unfortunately if it is spinning and the motor isn't
cranking over that could be trouble:

1) Teeth on starter gone,
2) Tooth on flywheel warn,
3) a break inside the starter itself (so that something in starter spins but
not the small gear like end of starter shaft that meets the flywheel.

Does the starter spin consistently without starting the engine (high pitched
whine everytime you turn the key but engine doesn't kick over) or is this
just once in a while?  If it is consistent then it is likely 1 or 3.  If it
is sporatic, then possibly 2 or 3.

It would spin if it is loose enough not to make contact with the flywheel.
But you would know this because you'd be able to wiggle it around with your
hand.



From
From: "Dan the Subscriber" <dansubscribes@prodigy>
To: "C G" <indycorradog60@hotmail>
Subject: RE: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter
Date: Mon, 15 Apr 2002 23:05:28 -0400
Cc: "GTI List" <list@gti-vr6>
 
Hey,

         a few months ago.  Here is the two cents I'll add
to <what Bob said.

[...] 22 lines deleted

Lastly, when I got mine out I found that my PROBLEM WASN'T THE STARTER AT
ALL, rather the  braided copper lead from the solenoid to the starter was
corroded and broke.  I took the starter to local shop that works on electric
motors and they whipped one together for me for a fraction of the cost of a
new starter...easy fix.

Good Luck,

Dan



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From: "Bob Tillman" <bobt@p-vector>
To: "Dan the Subscriber" <dansubscribes@prodigy>, "C G" <indycorradog60@hotmail>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Replacing a bad starter
Date: Tue, 16 Apr 2002 00:09:41 -0400
Cc: "GTI List" <list@gti-vr6>
 
Hi Dan -

Good points.  I do think that that top starter bolt actually goes through
and threads into part of the upper front motor mount, which is why the
Bentley probably recommends supporting the motor.  However there are two
other bolts that hold that mount onto the block so as you mention it
probably isn't critical that you support the engine.  (I had that whole mess
apart when I had my motor/tranny/head disassembled recently.)

Funny that you had that same 2" wire go bad on yours - it went bad on my
original starter too, and I replaced it with two pieces of #12 copper wire.
Worked OK for a couple of months, and then something else went wrong so I
just decided to replace the whole thing (after 178k miles, why not? ;)

Thanks for the additional notes...

- Bob T.



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From: Perry Goutsos <pgoutsos@yahoo>
To: GTi-VR6 mailing list <list@gti-vr6>
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Starter problems
Date: Tue, 23 Jul 2002 23:19:48 -0700 (PDT)
 
Since we're talking about starters....my girlfriends gti vr6 starter is doing someting odd. After
starting the car, it sounds as if the start keeps going for a second or two, making a wirring
sound.  Is this a sign of a starter going bad?

Perry



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From: VWSpdRacer@aol
To: list@gti-vr6
Subject: Re: [gti-vr6] Starter problems
Date: Wed, 24 Jul 2002 11:27:00 EDT
 
In a message dated 7/24/2002 2:20:34 AM Eastern Daylight Time, &#112;goutsos&#64;yahoo<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> writes:
> Since we're talking about starters....
> [...]
> Is this a sign of a starter going bad?

Sure is!!

The starter cog is sticking in the "open" position and will eventually 
wearout!  It engages the flywheel and starts the car but does not retract all 
the way and still spin for a moment.  Had this happen to my '89 GTI 16v.  Try 
a rebuild.

Paul Crocenzi
ClubH2O Southeast Michigan Rep.
<A HREF="http://www.clubh2o.com">ClubH2O</A>
<A HREF="http://e-mive.tripod.com/MIVE/index.html">Michigan Volkswagen Enthusiasts</A>
&#118;wspdracer&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>



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