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Yet another reason to go with Garret;s Chip Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:56:29 -0400
RE: Performance Upgrade Pro's and Con's Scott Catlin <Scott.Catlin@sierra> Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:36:12 -0700
Welcome Aboard; Demographics Survey Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:30:03 -0400
Re: Performance Upgrade Pro's and Con's (fwd) Ross B Stuart <rstuart@U.Arizona> Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:08:35 -0700 (MST)
Re: Garrett Vs. Autotech Q-chip Mike Bigus <gtivr6r@chicagonet> Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:12:10 -0500
Re: VWoA voiding warranties..... aqn@dev.tivoli Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:40:36 -0600 (CST)
Garrett addresses the masses! Mike Bigus <gtivr6r@chicagonet> Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:11:49 -0600
Re: Garrett addresses the masses! "Patrick Sherman" <psherman@bigfoot> Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:51:07 -0800
Re: Dyno Day update aqn@dev.tivoli Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0600 (CST)
G-Chip Installed Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:53:03 -0500
Re: Uwe's Garret chip Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:28:42 -0500
Re: Custom program chips? Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:57:59 -0500
my Garret chip Alex Gaitan <a.g.p@mindspring> Sat, 08 Nov 1997 16:09:17 -0500
other : the G chip David Ha-Sun <hasun@nautilus.engella> Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:47:23 -0600
Fw: chip is done... collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins) Mon, 24 Nov 97 01:39:07 GMT
Re: Garrett chip "Alfonso E. Urdaneta" <aurdanet@harris> Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:43:53 -0500
Re: Garrett chips Q???????? "Holland J. Phillips" <hjp@pacbell> Mon, 15 Dec 97 18:39:26 -0800
Re: Garrett chips Q???????? Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox> Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:33:24 -0500
[gti-vr6] Re: G-chip information needed AWE16VR6 <AWE16VR6@aol> Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:48:46 EST
[gti-vr6] RE: Chip & G-chip comments "King, Ted@PPD Immunoscience Se" <ted.king@abbott> Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:16:00 -0500



From uwe.ross@pobox Tue 21 10:56:29 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
Subject: Yet another reason to go with Garret;s Chip
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 10:56:29 -0400
 
Last night, I wrote to Garrett, asking him:

>>Garrett,
>>
>> I would like to know -- straight from the source -- whether the presence
>> of your chip can be detected by the standard VW scan tools i.e. the
>> 1551/1552.   I had always figured they would *not* be detectable in this
>> manner, but have recently been advised by an owner of an older, 1995 car
>> that his Techtonics chip pretty much "announces" itself on the
>> standard scan.

Garrett's reponse:

> I am surpised.  The TT method of Encryption should not (but I dont do all
> of their chips).  I guess it depends.  AMS puts "Advanced" in the text
> display for the scan tool...  That I know for sure.
> 
> Mine is transparent for the most part (99% of tests).  VAG cannot detect
> it.  Adam had his car in to the dealer and they could not see it with the
> VAG.  He told them he had it.  But I dont put my name in the text field for
> VAG display, my EGO is not that big.  I double encrypt the chip.  There are
> three levels.  Only 2 seem important.  For most VAG scanning and to prevent
> setting the check engine light because the mapping was changed.   I Encrypt
> exactly like the factory.  This helps keep it transparent.  The third level
> of encryption appears important for special trainging funcions of the VAG.
> There you will have problems.   No tuners set this third.   I may start
> setting it.  I need to get Adam up here to test it.  
> 
> You will love this AA chip it really helps a lot.  AA was really mild in
> certian important areas.  I just sold 2 this week.  All on the new special
> program.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Garrett A. Lim
> President
&gt; &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> 
> __________________________________________________________________
> 
> Garrett Integrated Automotive Corp.
> (215)-547-7524 (call 5-9 pm Eastern std), it is our Data line, too.
> (For your software programming needs, from powered memory 
> chips to Automotive ECU programming software). Make your own 
> chips easily with GL's Chip Creator:
The following links are now broken! Try: http://www.giacusa.com/ instead. aqn. 3/24/99
> http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/demo.htm
> For $15-20 chip upgrades:
> http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/chips.htm
> New FAQs
> http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/cfaq.htm
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From Scott.Catlin@sierra Tue Oct 21 17:36:12 1997
From: Scott Catlin <Scott.Catlin@sierra>
Subject: RE: Performance Upgrade Pro's and Con's
Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 17:36:12 -0700
 
The chips for VWs are $100, he does custom setups for cams and ported
and polished heads, for Audis-Porsches-Benzs-Puegeots-etc-etc. I am also
jumping on the bandwagon I think. I called my local speed shop and asked
if they solder chips in (I have a 95). He asked if it was a Neuspeed
chip or an AMS chip and I said I was thinking of getting a chip from
Garrett Lim and he said " oh, you're going for the best then?" Checkout
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/cfaq.htm for his FAQ. 
Damn, he does get alot of word of mouth though, doesn't he?






From uwe.ross@pobox Wed Oct 22 10:30:03 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
Subject: Welcome Aboard; Demographics Survey
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 10:30:03 -0400
 
> Date: Tue, 21 Oct 1997 20:49:30 PDT
&gt; From: "Tom Sobieski" &lt;&#102;arquar666&#64;hotmail<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Subject: Re: Stalling When Cold[D
> 
> Hi there!
> I've been lurking for about 2 weeks after purchasing a slightly used
> 96 GTI VR6. 

Welcome aboard.

> Love the car (having come out of a Neon ACR)

Are you planning to autocross the VR6?  From what I've heard it's
nowhere near as competetive as the ACR.  If you don't mind my asking,
what propmted you to "trade up?" 

>  But would like 
> to know the consensus of opinion as to which power chip is best, or at 
> least what most every one bought.

I don't have any reason to think that any particular chip is really any
"better" than any of the others, but I will strongly recommend Garrett's
anyway.  Why?  Because chip tuning is Garrett's only business, and he's
accessible -- you can talk to him via e-mail, and he'll answer you.  Try
to actually get a hold of the guy who "makes" the chips for any of the
other vendors... Good luck.   In addition, he'll customize a chip for
you to match your exact requirements.  Want a different rev limit?  No
problem.  Want a chip to deal with a set of cams or a throttle body or
whatever?  No problem.  And upgrades are very reasonably priced.  In
fact, if you want to experiment on your own, he'll sell you his "Chip
Creator" software and you can tweak to your heart's content yourself. 
See 
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/giac.htm
for complete details.

Oh, and one more thing:  Unlike some of the others out there, Garrett's
chip is relatively "stealthy", it doesn't "announce" itself when VW does
a diagnostic scan on your computer.

[...]





From rstuart@U.Arizona Wed Oct 22 22:08:35 1997
From: Ross B Stuart <rstuart@U.Arizona>
Subject: Re: Performance Upgrade Pro's and Con's (fwd)
Date: Wed, 22 Oct 1997 22:08:35 -0700 (MST)
 
Below is a message from Garrett that he sent me after a list member
sent him part of my message that involved his chips.  I thought that it
might be interesting for somebody.

Ross



>

Hi Ross,

This was forwarded to me.  I thought I would address your concern.  It is
warranted.  

The whole chip market for VW is nuts.  I have to admit I have contributed
to it.  I got  in to this whole programming thing for fun originally 4-5
years ago.   I wanted a chip for my 16v race car.  I all of the chips I
tried at the time ran slower in the q-mile, but felt better at part
throttle, that wont win a  race.  I figured this out that they overtimed
the chips.  Or did not touch full throttle at all.

No one knew the new 16v motronics at the time.  It was part mechanical part
ECU.  To go fast I had to learn how to do it.  Disassembly and 200-1000
chips later, figured it out.

Then my buddies with a vr6 Corrado and am M3 wanted to go faster.  They
both had Brand X (the most popular for their cars).  I managed to squueze a
bunch of power extra out of their cars, as measured in the 1/4 mile.  

Then came the problem of updating the tables.  There are over 1000 numbers
to change sometimes.  Even more on later cars.  I used to do this by hand!
5+ hours per test chip.

I learned C, then VB.  I managed to write some very nice professional
software to reprogram all chips (using FACTORY algorithms for calculating
Degrees timing advance from mapping, something other tuners cant get) .
The factory wont sell software to you, with the exception of certian custom
injection racing systems (big dollars).   

I have been consulting with Big VW/BMW/Porsche tuners teaching them the how
to, part of the reason for VW chip maddness.  And i sell them the software.
 The Advanced software is $3500.  And people buy it.

So $100 is extremely cheap considering what you get.  I mappout every fuel
table and timing table and test them all. That is why my vr6 chip has done
so well.  People have not found all of the important tables, yet (or at
least what I have seen, once they get one mine that will change).  And this
is why I (or TT) am the only one's who sell a working BB-tbody OBDII chip,
soon one of my consults may have it and they too will/(are) make very good
chips.  They have the right tools and knowledge to do it right (I must keep
their name anonomous).  Trust me you dont want to know how many hours I put
in on this chip for my racing buddies.  And it did cost them more than
$100.  Programmable injection cost about 1200-2500, and is not as dynamic
as Motronic.  So it was a good deal for them.
 
Have you got a chip yet yourself?  Then you might see what the whole rave
is about.  I really freed up the top end more like the older corrados used
to spin.  I could not understand why it ran so bad up top, since it was the
same motor.  But I got that fixed.

good luck to you.
Stay cautious, that is safe.  Some Vr6 parts can easily hurt power.  I have
seen this over and over again at the track.  They is a lot of hype out
there, esp on HP numbers.  I will only claim 5-8 hp on my vr6 OBDII chip.
Others claim more, but why then are people switching to mine?



Regards,

Garrett A. Lim
President
&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> 
[...]





From gtivr6r@chicagonet Thu Oct 23 18:12:10 1997
From: Mike Bigus <gtivr6r@chicagonet>
Subject: Re: Garrett Vs. Autotech Q-chip
Date: Thu, 23 Oct 1997 18:12:10 -0500
 
&#65;NDREW_ATWELL&#64;HP-PaloAlto-om20.om.hp<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:
> 
> For all of you with the chip is this the only aftermarket 
> chip you have tried, or did you switch from something else?

Hi Andrew,

	I had gotten my OBD-II P-chip last November as N'speed
had pretty much just come out with it I think.  It was indeed
a great improvemt over the stock chip.  But the more I drove
and the more time whent by, I wondered if N'speed revised
the programs for their chips and got more out of them yet.

I switched because I have heard arguments that the p-chip leans
out at the top, and after paying close attention to the feel
of the engine, I could feel it peek and then drop off in power.

I asked Garrett about this and he said the p-chip only changes
timing at certain places and doesn't tough fuel at all, and thats 
what I was feeling in the power drop off over 5500 rpms.

Garrett's chip tweeks timing, and fuel at full throttle for maximum
power and torque and for very fast acceleration.  3rd gear is absolutly
CRAZY!  The car pulls like it has cams!  I am very pleased with my
OBD-II
Garrette chip and it blows my old P-chip away!

- -- 
Mike

Mike Bigus ==&gt; &#103;tivr6r&#64;chicagonet<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>  &gt;&gt; GTi NUT 1 &lt;&lt;
'96 GTi VR6 Tornado Red with a 3/96 born on date





From aqn@dev.tivoli Mon Oct 27 14:40:36 1997
From: aqn@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: VWoA voiding warranties.....
Date: Mon, 27 Oct 1997 14:40:36 -0600 (CST)
 
Frank Williamson wrote:
> saw this on the USENET (r.a.m.vw.w).  Looks like VWoA is at war with
> the chip makers.  Can any of our VW contacts on this list confirm this
> post?
> 
> Frank
> 
> ------------
> 
> Subject:      Re: VR6 Computer Chip
&gt; From:         &#99;lanbree&#64;aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> (CLANBREE)
> Date:         1997/10/24
&gt; Message-ID:   &lt;&#49;9971024173801.NAA05549&#64;ladder01.news.aol<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Newsgroups:   rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled
> [More Headers]
> 
> as a dealer technician i have encountered the problem numerous times.
> the problem is that your chip changes your entire advance curve and as
> a result, nulifies the entire knock retard ignition map.   the only way
> to correct the problem is to return the car to factory spec.s.
> incidentally.... don't bring your car to the dealer in this condition.
> we have a new directive from our O.T.S.'s to input the V.I.N. of any
> vehicle with a "chip" into the V.I.N.I. system to void the emissions
> warranty.
> 
> >I have a 96 GTI and i put in the Autotech Q-CHIP (which i like MUCH
> >better than the Neuspeed Pchip) anyways, i keep getting the check
> >engine light and evertime i get it checked out it says that there was
> >Excessive Knocking on all SIX cylinders. Does anyone else have this
> >problem with the Autotech Chip?


  I asked Garrett about this:

  
> From aqn Mon Oct 27 09:30:41 1997
> Subject: VWoA voiding warranties..... (fwd)
&gt; To: &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
> 
>   Hi Garrett,
> 
>   I am on the gti-vr6 mailing list.  Someone posted the following
>   article [the article on "VWoA voiding warranties....."] (which was posted on the Usenet newsgroup
>   rec.autos.makers.vw.watercooled.  How do your chips deal with
>   the "knock retard ignition map"?
>
> [Frank Williamson's post deleted.]



  ... and he replied as follows (reposted w/ his permission).


&gt; From &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> Mon Oct 27 13:05 CST 1997
&gt; To: &#97;qn&#64;dev.tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
> Subject: Re: VWoA voiding warranties..... (fwd)
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> Actually that is one of the reasons people have really enjoyed using my
> chip.  I did not overtime it like mad.  Else you lose HP, fast.  I have
> seen this over and over again at the drags.  Almost all tuned OBDII vr6
> chips I have tested have too much timing in my opinion.  Of course I am
> biased and very careful.  
> 
> But the 2L OBDII, that is a whole nother program.  Most mapping is very
> retarded, even compared to older OBD programs.  I guess VW figured that
> market did not care as much about power.  Maybe true, but pretty sad.
> There is a lot of HP and torque to be gained on the 2L chip, even by just
> using factory mapping out of an older program.
> 
> I read the mapping in degrees advance, not as hex code (what some others
> do, I don't know).  So I know what maotors are getting timed to.  I set up
> all my vr6 whether OBD or OBDII all the same.  The motor likes the same
> settings regardless.  From what I have found.  Some are timing this chip
> pretty aggressively.  But the factory was very aggressive with the std
> OBDII vr6 program.  I guess some tuners  figure give it more.  But that is
> not necessarily what any motor needs.  It is critical to have optimal
> timing that does not ride the knock sensors all the time for a given fuel
> octane, and a fuel air ratio that is correct.  This is where the art of
> chip programming comes into play.  That is why not all chips are created
> equal.  Sure it might feel good.  But is it right, maybe?  Don't get me
> wrong, there are some good chips out there.  I am just telling you what you
> can do inside these things, and why there are differences.  It is easy to
> hurt what VW/Bosch has spent many hours perfecting.  That is why you should
> be leery of people who calm big HP on a chip alone.  VW/Bosch is getting
> very good at getting it closer to perfect.  (Now if the chip controls the
> Turbo, then HP could really improve.) 
> 
> The mapping I am using is very similar to the most aggressive EURO chip I
> have seen.  I could not get my cars to drag faster than that chip.  The
> timing is perfect, in my opinion.  It is all about how much time you spend
> on a chip.  Sure if you give it more, it feels better, but it does not make
> it faster necessarily in the q-mile.  Esp. in the days of Knock sensors.  I
> TRY not to program on the max end of the knock sensors capability.  You can
> program it out easily, but you really have to give it a lot.  One can go
> past the limits of the quick adjustment of the knock sensors.   Tuners may
> do this.  I experienced this on a very SAD 16v 2L chip for my car(I won't
> mention the name, so dont ask please).  That is what drove me to start this
> whole programming mess myself.  Some tuners are giving it 30-32 degrees
> total advance.  But 4 valve motors don't like that much timing.  That goes
> for almost all cars!
> 
> But I will say, every VW I have done customly, the knock sensors protected
> the motor even with the craziest maps.  It will retard the timing so hard,
> the car falls flat on its face.  So don't worry too much.  But anything
> could happen, I should still say.    
> 
> If there is an error code from over detonation, the chip should be remapped
> for that fuel octane.  I program chips for some countries where fuel can be
> suboptimal.  I map those cars differently.  I have to.
> 
> I have yet to get an overadvanced error code on a chip.  But there can
> always be a first time.
> 
> On the vr6, I did advance timing a fair amount at part throttle, for better
> fuel economy and throttle response.  But I also adjusted the fuel carefully
> to compensate for this much like the factory does.
> 
> It sounds like VW is just leery of anything they can't control.   And maybe
> rightfully so.  Maybe this is true about the warranty.  I would reccomend
> you, talk to your dealer, before you bring it in.  Maybe write to VWoA, and
> state your opinion.  BMW will let you buy performance chips.  "But a BMW is
> a sports car!"  Yea right, and VWs vr6 GTi was not marketed/built like
> that?  I think VW really should not get to wrapped up in this whole thing.
> Most of this is just like replacing a carburetor jet and recurving the
> ignition distributor.  It is very safe to do, especially since VW uses
> knock sensors!  Only in recent years, we as car owners/mechanics/racers
> have not had access to such adjustments.  We are taking this back.  I guess
> they don't want us to have this capability any longer.
> 
> Now, I know everyone has their opinion.  This just mine and this is what I
> have experienced. 
> 
> I hope that this helps clear up some of the confusion.  Maybe this makes it
> worse.  That is my 2 cents.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Garrett A. Lim
> President
&gt; &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> 
> [...]

- -- 
Andy Nguyen \ &#97;qn&#64;tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> \ Tivoli Systems, Austin, TX \ 512.436.8229
        Ave, XTela, morituri te salutamus.




From gtivr6r@chicagonet Sun Nov 02 17:11:49 1997
From: Mike Bigus <gtivr6r@chicagonet>
Subject: Garrett addresses the masses!
Date: Sun, 02 Nov 1997 17:11:49 -0600
 
I' ve been asked to post the following from Garrett Lim.
- -- 
Mike

Mike Bigus ==&gt; &#103;tivr6r&#64;chicagonet<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>  &gt;&gt; GTi NUT 1 &lt;&lt;
'96 GTi VR6 Tornado Red with a 3/96 born on date


Hi,

Just a note to clear up any misunderstandings about what my chips can do.

OBDII VR6('96-97): I have spent many hours completely remapping this chip
from scratch in both timing and fueling.  I have been programming custom
vr6 chips for the past four years specifically for drag racing, not for
sales, for fun!  I am very familiar with timing and fueling that these
motors respond well to, in the drags.  Consequently I used this information
to develop the new OBDII chip.  The OBDII mapping is totally different in
length and table size from the OBD programs, but I have managed to
normalize my maps to values I used on the older OBD VR6 motors (like in the
Corrado VR6).  

I am mapping my chips in degrees advance.  This guarantees that I get the
response I am looking for.

I have never made any claims of insane power from chips - I have always
been hard on people who have.  VW has done a very good job getting these
chips CLOSE to perfect.  So no, there is not insane power to be made, on a
chip alone.

I am not sure of the REAL power difference between my OBDII VR6 chip and
others.  I will say it does drive very differently from most others.  I
have found the sweet spots on this motor!  This is what most of my chip
users are experiencing.  More HP than others, I am not sure, but really fun
to drive, yes!  

It does do very well compared to the stock chip in the q-mile, this I have
measured.

I do this programming because I love to make cars go fast.  I also like
to challenge of cracking a new program.  That is my main motivation.  I am
willing to take the time to make sure my chips do make a difference in
acceleration.  And yes I am concerned about driveability.  

I am not so concerned about competing with others in the stock chip market.
 The VW market is so messed up as it is.  I prefer to make special custom
chips, that is what I enjoy.  Obviously I am not out to make sales like the
Big 4.  That is why I take on cars like late model BMW, Porsche, Peugeot,
the new 1.8 20v turbo, and even Hyundai.  I also worked very hard
developing the Big bore T-body chip for OBDII, NOS and injector chips.
These are mainly custom programs!  MOST VW tuners are not reprogramming
these cars.  Nor willing to do completely custom programming for my
prices.

The problem comes in when people ask why mine is better!   I must refer
them to people who have switched to mine or tried mine vs. another.  That
is what I generally say instead of bad mouthing all of the other guys.
There are some good programs out there - this I have said before.  I know
all of the big tuners get this same question all of the time, "Why is yours
better?".  I am sure they are not giving me any compliments.

Yes, I have complimented all the big guys many times:  TT, AMS, APS, Dinan,
and Autothority for some of their work.

Anyway like any true speed junky, I am always trying to improve all of my
files and make them very accessible to my chip users, as inexpensive
upgrades.  Especially if more power is found elsewhere.

If you have any question concerning this post please contact me via
E-mail.

Garrett Lim
&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
Garrett Integrated Automotive Corp.





From psherman@bigfoot Sun Nov 2 17:51:07 1997
From: "Patrick Sherman" <psherman@bigfoot>
Subject: Re: Garrett addresses the masses!
Date: Sun, 2 Nov 1997 17:51:07 -0800
 
Needless to say, but anywayz. I have my Garrett Chip and he was right. It
is fun to drive and I notice a sweet spot right about 6000k then it gets a
second wind. Of course all up the bandwith is sweeter. I bought my chip
from Garrett for two reasons, one he answered all my dumb questions about
the chip(s). Those other guys didn't, infact the main response was, "Look
it will increase 5hp so you want that on VISA or MC. My response <Click>.
Second, he was honest about his chip. I said, " so will I get the 10HP gain
like the other chips. He said No. You won't with mine and you won't with
theirs.. So I said SOLD!

Just another Happy Customer from GIAC. 

Food, Folks, and Volkswagon




From aqn@dev.tivoli Mon Nov 2 08:32:54 1997
From: aqn@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Dyno Day update
Date: Mon, 3 Nov 1997 08:32:54 -0600 (CST)
 
  This is Garrett's reply:

&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> wrote:
&gt; From &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> Sun Nov  2 22:39 CST 1997
&gt; To: &#97;qn&#64;dev.tivoli<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
> Subject: Re: Dyno Day update
> 
> At 09:41 PM 11/2/97 -0600, you wrote:
> >Mike Bigus wrote:
> >> So now it will run #1 2 pulls stock - cool down/chip swap
> >> #2 2 pulls P-chip - cool down/chip swap, #3 2 pulls Garrett.
> >
> >  I mentioned this to another VW-head at the last autox, and he suggested
> >  that a chip may need to be run in the car for a while first to "learn"
> >  the driver's driving habit, before one can get the most out of the chip.
> >  Is there any truth to this?  Garrett?
> 
> Hi Andy,
> 
> It does need some learning.  But not much, from what I have seen at the
> drags switching out chips.
> 
> I have measured consistant differnces in acceleration switching out chips
> on the OBDII vr6, on both the A and K ECU.  But they are idled up to the tree.
> 
> But as for the dyno.  I am not sure how real world this test will be.  Full
> throttle mapping only lasts so long I hear.  Then the O2 sensor kicks, and
> leans out.  But we'll see.
> 
> I am curious how it all pans out anyways.
> 
> Garrett
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Garrett A. Lim
&gt; &#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> 
> [...]




From uwe.ross@pobox Fri Nov 7 22:53:03 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
Subject: G-Chip Installed
Date: Fri, 07 Nov 1997 22:53:03 -0500
 
After some delay, I finally got around to installing my Garrett chip
this afternoon.  It was a good time because I'd already driven the car
quite a bit today, and had more errands to run this evening, so I'd get
direct back-to-back seat of the pants feel.

For those that don't remember, my car is a '97, with a type AA ECM.  I
have no other mods except a Whipple Mount. 

My initial inpressions are quite favorable.  Throttle response seems
better throughout the rpm range.  Engine definitely feels stronger
between 3 and 6K.  Due to heavy traffic this evening, I've not had the
opportunity to push it beyond 6K.  It feels and I think it even sounds
"crisper".  Idle speed is up a up maybe 100rpms, enough to feel
"strange", but I suppose I'll get used to this.  (Why increase the idle
speed?)   One definite advantage to the increased idle speed: I'd
previously reported that the Whipple mount produced some extra
vibrations that were readily apparent in the steering wheel at idle. 
These are totally gone.  One "unexpected" thing:  The rpms drop more
slowly between shifts, and if you "blip" the thottle in neutral, the
engine seems to "hold" the peak rpm for a moment before beginning to
slow down more slowly than it did before.  

I suppose I'm going to have to try the standard airbox mods next....

- -Uwe-




From uwe.ross@pobox Sat Nov 8 17:28:42 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
Subject: Re: Uwe's Garret chip
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 17:28:42 -0500
 
> Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 07:22:47 -0500
&gt; From: Stewart Dean &lt;&#115;dean&#64;ulster<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Subject: Re: Uwe's Garret chip
> 
> what relative gas consumption changes do you see?

Too soon to tell, but I'll post when I have a handle on it.

> if the chip allows you to rev higher and the ECU keeps track of so-called "over-revving"
> incidents, is this going to red-flag a warranty with scads of over-revving counts?

No, it only flags an error if you exceed the chip's "hard limit" (7300),
it has a "soft limit" at around 7000.  

> how much was the chip?

$100 but Garrett will be increasing his prices very soon.

[...]




From uwe.ross@pobox Sun Nov 9 19:57:59 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
Subject: Re: Custom program chips?
Date: Sun, 09 Nov 1997 19:57:59 -0500
 
> Date: Sat, 8 Nov 1997 20:35:32 -0800
&gt; From: "Myron Ybarra" &lt;&#89;barraRonTracey&#64;worldnet.att<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
> Subject: Custom program chips?
> 
> Does Garret ( I use him because of all of the publicity he has received on
> the list, but any manufacturer will do ) make a one chip fits all for OBD I
> ?  I know that there are differences between ECUs that require different
> programming between chips, but what I am asking is can Garret or any other
> chip manufacturer design a chip to take advantage of performance products
> installed on my car ?  I want the chip to work with the changes and NOT to
> trigger fault codes or fail CA smog testing.  I plan on installing the 268
> Schrick cam, mild Extrude Hone on the intake manifold, t-body, oil cooler,
> short shift kit, Nology wires/Beru Silverstone plugs, and the chip. I
> currently have Q-Flow, Air Bath, Remus exhaust( carbon fiber tips ), and
> full suspension upgrade.

While Garrett can certainly make you a chip to take best advantage of
whatever mods you have, particularly things like the cams, there's no
such thing as a "universal" chip that works best with everything.   But,
if you buy a chip from him, then add a mod like cams, he'll make you a
new chip for the cams for a very minumal upgrade cost ($15-25, I
think).  

I suggest you "chat" with him.  mailto:&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
Check out his website too, 
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/chips.htm
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/cfaq.htm

Best,

- -Uwe-







From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sat Nov 8 15:15 CST 1997
From: Alex Gaitan <a.g.p@mindspring>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: my Garret chip
Date: Sat, 08 Nov 1997 16:09:17 -0500
Cc: jglim@fast
 
I installed my Garret chip yesterday, and the thing is awesome!
>From the first time i turned on the car, I noticed that it sounded better.
The engine sounds a little louder, you can notice that it has more power now.
I test-drove the chip all day today, and I'm impressed. There is a big
difference in hpower. It goes smoother through the rpm band. The chips
kicks in at around 2-2.5k rpms, and you can really feel the difference.
Like if a turbo kicked in.
The chip is really nice. I cant compare it to others because this is the
first chip I have, but the thing is awesome.
Ohh, and the best thing, is doing business with garret, He is a really
*nice* guy. I bet you cant say that from any other company out there.
Later-G
 

	.......................
        |    Alex Gaitan      |
        |   '97 Red GTI 8v    |
        |    Garret Chip      |
	| Momo airleather Knob| 
        |  Momo Leather boot  |
        |  Premier KEH-P808   |
        |    Pioneer 12-cd    |
        |  Phoenix Gold zx450 |
        |    (2) JL 12w6      |
         ---------------------






From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Nov 13 12:55 CST 1997
From: David Ha-Sun <hasun@nautilus.engella>
To: "'corrado'" <corrado-l@corrado-club>, "'gti'" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: other : the G chip
Date: Thu, 13 Nov 1997 12:47:23 -0600
Cc: "'garrett'" <jglim@FAST>
 
All,

Preliminary results on the G chip in the 1991 Jetta VR6 conversion with =
1992 Passat engine.

Garrett sent me two chips to test  A and B for the sake of simplicity

Method of testing : Butt Dyno and RedLine thru all gears (except fifth) =
to see if power drops..

Car : Tbody, K&N (pflow), Borla Exhaust, Lighten Flywheel

THAT CHIP IS DA BOMB


ALTHOUGH I DID NOT WITNESS ANY OF THE TESTS, there is a lot of truth to =
it.. Why ?

I gave the two chips to my friend without telling him which one is which =
( kinda placebo v/s the real thing) and tell him to test both and =
compare it to the stock one..

He just called and mentioned that B is better than A and between A and =
the stock, there is a night and day difference (drivability, torque, =
performance, pickup, etc).

Therefore the placebo factor was not a key player..

Overall, he is extremely happy and Garrett is going to tweak the B chip =
more (which initially was more aggressive than A)..


This seems to be a free plug to garrett but he deserves what he =
deserves...

More to come later

D
92 slc - need G chip fast if I keep getting dusted by the Jetta






From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Sun Nov 23 19:46 CST 1997
From: collinsk@pacbell (Kevin Collins)
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli (GTI-VR6 Mailing List)
Subject: Fw: chip is done...
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 97 01:39:07 GMT
 
Just received from Garrett........ if you have one of these bad boys on order, I suspect 
you got a similar message.  If you don't, time to order up kids!!  I have a "K" ECU, btw...

--------------------------Forwarded Message------------------------------
Hi,

I want to let you know the chip is done.

It is the newest chip ****05.pot.  It is a little hotter than the BETA that
Mike Bigus tested.

I will dyno it in a couple of weeks.  It should work very well.  It is
really a fun high revving program.

Please give me your feed back once you get a chance to try it.

I constantly try to improve my software.

It is being mailed Monday via Priority mail and should arrive Weds.

Garrett


Regards,

Garrett A. Lim
&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15> 
__________________________________________________________________

Garrett Integrated Automotive Corp.
(215)-547-7524 (call 5-9 pm Eastern std), it is our Data line, too.
(For your software programming needs, from powered memory 
chips to Automotive ECU programming software). Make your own 
chips easily with GL's Chip Creator:
The following links are now broken! Try: http://www.giacusa.com/ instead. aqn. 3/24/99
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/demo.htm
For $15-20 chip upgrades fro past purchases:
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/chips.htm
New FAQs
http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/garrett/cfaq.htm
If you browser caches, please hit "Reload"
__________________________________________________________________

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http://pwp.auhs.edu/~limg/dragin.htm






From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Thu Dec 11 11:39 CST 1997
From: "Alfonso E. Urdaneta" <aurdanet@harris>
To: David Moak <dmoak@yahoo>, "gt6 list ( spice )" <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: Re: Garrett chip
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 1997 15:43:53 -0500
 
David Moak wrote:

> I'm sure I missed this along the way, but how much does the Garrett
> chip cost? Also, how  do you get in touch with Mr. Garrett? Anyone
> have his phone number? Does he have a Web site?

Garrett Lim mailto:&#106;glim&#64;fast<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
327 Austin Dr
Fairless Hills PA, 19030

his web site http://cll.auhs.edu/~LIMG/garrett does not seem to be working
anymore.

Alfonso.

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Harris Corporation                                   FAX: 407.984.6323
PO Box 98000, MS W3.7775                    mailto:&#97;urdanet&#64;harris<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>
Melbourne, FL 32902.9800           http://www.transcomm.ess.harris.com

The Harris Corporation agrees with everything I say.







From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Dec 15 20:47 CST 1997
From: "Holland J. Phillips" <hjp@pacbell>
To: "Jay Evans" <evansfam@phoenix>, <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: Re: Garrett chips Q????????
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 97 18:39:26 -0800
 
0 261 204 831
021 906 529 N
08.08.97
265A0000
9501 0147

It looks like VW has yet ANOTHER ECU for '98.  I believe that the 
relevant character is the letter "N".  My early '97 has a "K", and the 
later ones have an "AA".




From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Mon Dec 15 21:43 CST 1997
From: Uwe Ross <uwe.ross@pobox>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: Re: Garrett chips Q????????
Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 22:33:24 -0500
Cc: Jay Evans <evansfam@phoenix>
Organization: becnet.com
 
> Subject: Garrett chips Q???????? 
&gt; From: "Jay Evans" &lt;&#101;vansfam&#64;phoenix<img src=/i/dn.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt; 
> Date: Mon, 15 Dec 1997 20:02:33 -0600 
> 
> I was wondering if someone could tell me the address to Garrett's web
> page. 

http://www.dvol.com/~users/gal/giac.htm

> I want to order a chip from him but I don't know his phone number.
> Also, what information do I need to tell him so he knows what chip to send
> me?  I have a 1998 GTi VR6 and I looked at the ECU for the number to tell
> Garrett but I don't know which one he wants.  There are 5 sets of numbers
> on the ECU.  They are:
> 
> 021 906 529 N

That's the number you want, but the 529 part doesn't sound right.  In
any case, you need the 1998 "N" chip.  
 
> Which one do I need to tell Garrett?  Also is the  "08.08.97" one my cars
> "born-on date"?

No, that's your ECM's "born-on" date.  The car's date is on the sticker
on the driver's door jamb.  
 
> I haven't done any modifications to my car (yet) except for the airbox
> mods.  Does this matter?

No.
 
> Is there anything else I need to know before I order the chip?

Check out my write-up at
http://www.panix.com/~aqn/GTI_VR6/gti_vr6/archive/engine/ECM.html
user:DRIVER password:HIRED

-Uwe-





From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Wed Mar 18 07:51 CST 1998
From: AWE16VR6 <AWE16VR6@aol>
To: gti-vr6@dev.tivoli
Subject: [gti-vr6] Re: G-chip information needed
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 1998 08:48:46 EST
 
> 1. What are the advantages of the G-chip over the P-chip

One of Garrett's secrets is to provide *less* timing advance at certain rpms,
which prevents the knock sensors from being tripped and hurting power.  He
keeps timing at a safe threshold, which also results in crisper throttle
response and allows the power to "come on" sooner.  Not one person who has
switched to Garrett's e-proms after running competitiors' chips has been
disappointed.  We have a money back gaurantee, anyway!

> 2. Ease of installation, from what I understand the P-chip you can pop > in
and out as required by the owner, is it the same for the G-chip?

Check out Garrett's web page for a more detailed explanation of the swap:

http://www.dvol.com/~users/gal/giac.htm

> 3. Is the Garret chip okay when it comes time to have the car smog >
checked?

While Garrett's chips are not CARB (California Air Resources Board) approved,
there are several of his chips operating in that state with the same
programming everyone else gets.  Even customers with aggressive cams are
passing smog.  You will have no trouble here.

> 4. Lastly how can order the G-chip?

We are handling retail sales of Garrett's chips.  Contact us @ 1-888-565-2257
or 215-848-6010, M-F 8am-6pm EST.  Have your ECU number handy.

Todd
Air & Water
VW Tuning
Philadelphia
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From gti-vr6-owner@dev.tivoli Wed Sep 16 10:56 CDT 1998
From: "King, Ted@PPD Immunoscience Se" <ted.king@abbott>
To: GTI-VR6 list <gti-vr6@dev.tivoli>
Subject: [gti-vr6] RE: Chip & G-chip comments
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 1998 10:16:00 -0500
 
Ben & list--

This is the kind of hyperbole that makes me wonder if I got a bum chip.  I've
been emailing back and forth w/ Garrett regarding my v.10.  I've had it since
July 2, and have swapped back the stock chip for comparison for 3 days, now
I'm back w/ the G-v.10.   Garrett has offered to try other "leaner" chips (an
attestment to his willingness to customize and support his product).  The
short take is that I think I'm going to keep my chip, since I do feel a
modest difference (ie. smoother running, snappier throttle response, and
free-revving w/ the v10 chip).

IMO the G-chip is basically a *refinement* of the VR6 engine, not a
significant power increase, and should be judged (and promoted) in that
light.  I mean, on a 172 hp engine, who would feel a 7-8 hp increase?  That's
less than 5%.  So, I think I just had unreasonable expectations stemming from
all the glowing reviews on GTI-VR6 list.  Still for $125 I think I made the
best choice going w/ the G-chip as opposed to others.

I'm curious how Garrett gets snappier throttle response.  Is it just
remapping the throttle position sensor input, such that a small movement of
pedal input=large throttle opening?  Or, is it all in the air/fuel mixture
and timing?  Or both?  Anyone know this?, Garrett hasn't answered yet.

Does anyone have real numbers in a comparison of stock vs v.10 chip in the
1/4 mi?  I'd be curious what the real difference is in numbers, beyond the
definite subjective difference in driving feel.

I don't mean to belittle the G-chip, just want to give a "different"
opinion
than the standard response to this question.  Anyone considering chip
purchases and want details or a copy of my dialog w/ Garrett, let me
know.

Ted King
97 GLX 
 ------------------------------

Date: Tue, 15 Sep 1998 16:55:08 +0000
From: ben t &lt;&#105;bnt&#64;erols<img src=/i/dc.gif border=0 width=35 height=15>&gt;
Subject: [gti-vr6] Re:Chips

Adam one more vote here for the Garret chip.  The car is transformed
into a
scary machine afterwards.

Ben t
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